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post #1 of 91 (permalink) Old 05-14-2012, 11:33 AM Thread Starter
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Talk me out of voting for Obama

So my primary concerns in this election are the economy and cutting government spending (lowering taxes for the masses). Also, cutting down on these expensive ass wars.

I just don't see Romney capable of doing that. Eventhough that's his primary message, I fear the guy is a chameleon and will do anything for his buddies and special interests.

Not that Obama is any better, but I feel he's less of a hack.

And with the two party system, the government is ever growing and stagnant.

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You honestly feel that Obama is LESS of a hack? Seriously?? .

This is going to be a very interesting thread...honestly man, look at every single measurable on the economy, on diplomacy, on virtually ever controllable portion of Government and you will see that almost nothing has improved and in most cases has gotten significantly worse.

After 3 years, it's difficult for anyone to actually outline this President's moral set, his true ideology and his general direction for the Country. Those things combined with the above, in my mind, make it a no brainer.

I think for many people, it really will be an "anyone but Obama" vote...as disconcerting as that may be.

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Obama is going to win reelection, I'm calling it now.

And, just for the record, I will be voting against him.

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You honestly feel that Obama is LESS of a hack? Seriously?? .

This is going to be a very interesting thread...honestly man, look at every single measurable on the economy, on diplomacy, on virtually ever controllable portion of Government and you will see that almost nothing has improved and in most cases has gotten significantly worse.

After 3 years, it's difficult for anyone to actually outline this President's moral set, his true ideology and his general direction for the Country. Those things combined with the above, in my mind, make it a no brainer.

I think for many people, it really will be an "anyone but Obama" vote...as disconcerting as that may be.
Albeit, I see Romney as a white label candidate.

Yes, the economy has gotten worse, but this mess was really deep and I personally think that Obama did a pretty good damage control. My assumptions on this are based on the Frontline documentary.

Romney changes his mind on nearly every policy and with the pressure of lobbyists, I don't see him standing his ground to defend the platform he's running on. To be fair, that's with most politicians.

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Given the demographic and voting history of Illinois, I'm certain that this damn state will fall to Obama & the Democrats regardless of how you vote. Therefore your vote for President is really a wasted vote.

I hate the Electoral College system.
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Given the demographic and voting history of Illinois, I'm certain that this damn state will fall to Obama & the Democrats regardless of how you vote. Therefore your vote for President is really a wasted vote.

I hate the Electoral College system.
Good point. Even then, I think his can be a healthy discussion.

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What better way to troll the board than to vote for Obama?

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Hmmmm, I like the way you think.

I'm voting for Obama for no other reason than to cancel out Cerk's vote

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Who's trolling?

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Most of the time, you.

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Most of the time, you.
I haven't trolled in a while.
But this is a serious discussion.

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You can't cancel out my vote. It's worth 10 votes...apparently they (the Government) is that impressed with my political satire.


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Put your doorknob on the ballot! It would have gotten 20% in NC

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You can't cancel out my vote. It's worth 10 votes...apparently they (the Government) is that impressed with my political satire.

Still not enough to help whom ever will be going against Obama in IL

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Illinois has voted Republican in the not so distant past.

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I will most likely vote for Obama. There are two main reasons. The first is I am still very angry at how the last GOP Administration used the fear and anger of our country to lead us into two unnecessary wars. The chance of that happening again is less in my mind if Obama is Pres instead of Romney. The second is that I would much rather have a second term pres than a first. I think the fear of doing things that will hurt their reelection probability hampers their ability to lead.

As annoying as GI3's trolling is this may not be another useless thread.

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Love me some Obama! Obama's getting re-elected whether you like it or not!

The Republicans continue to make horrific choices in Candidates, I thank you for that.
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All the Republicans have to do is shut up, sit back and watch the implosion move forward. Keeping with that plan, November will see one of the biggest landslide victories for the Republicans since...well, 2010

Despite the very best efforts of the media in general, the real issues can't be shoved aside, misrepresented or otherwise convoluted when presented to the American public. Everyone is fed up, incumbents are out. Take a look at what just happened in Europe...anyone in office, in any party, ought to be very concerned come November.

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All the Republicans have to do is shut up, sit back and watch the implosion move forward. Keeping with that plan, November will see one of the biggest landslide victories for the Republicans since...well, 2010

Despite the very best efforts of the media in general, the real issues can't be shoved aside, misrepresented or otherwise convoluted when presented to the American public. Everyone is fed up, incumbents are out. Take a look at what just happened in Europe...anyone in office, in any party, ought to be very concerned come November.
All the Democrats need to do to defeat Romney is to run Gingrich's comments from the primary.

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Supreme court justices. The liberals put on justices that hate the constitution. So Romney will be my choice. Also obama has failed at everything he has done.

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All the Democrats need to do to defeat Romney is to run Gingrich's comments from the primary.
48% Romney
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ALREADY! That is really, really bad news for an incumbent in May. Like I mentioned in another thread, most pollsters consider a dead heat really bad news let alone a guy that's down 4%. The numbers for a challenger haven't yet had time to solidify since the primaries.

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48% Romney
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ALREADY! That is really, really bad news for an incumbent in May. Like I mentioned in another thread, most pollsters consider a dead heat really bad news let alone a guy that's down 4%. The numbers for a challenger haven't yet had time to solidify since the primaries.
Honestly, these polls are way to early and don't really mean a lot.

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Can one vote "Present" in the general election? If so, do that.. It's slightly better than skipping out on one's civic duties like our current president did but as an elected representive.
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Honestly, these polls are way to early and don't really mean a lot.
Keep telling yourself that...Carville issued a warning:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/08/opinio...ose/index.html

WAKE THE F*#K UP!

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As I go around the country and see various Democrats and talk to them on the phone, honestly I'm beginning to think that we have become the party of Jimmie Davis.

My message is simple: WTFU. Translated -- wake the you-know-what up, there is an earthquake.
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You think that Democrats around the country are going to win -- as I hear time and time again from people on the street.

Democratic fundraisers, activists, supporters, and even politicians alike have somehow collectively lapsed into the sentiment that the president is going to be reelected and that we have a good shot to take the House back while holding the Senate.

I ask: What are you smoking? What are you drinking? What are you snorting or just what in the hell are you thinking?

Look around the world -- do you see any governments or incumbents winning any elections out there? Did it happen in small elections in Germany or Britain, big elections in France and Greece or how about huge elections in the United States in 2008 and 2010? Please folks -- wake up!


The polling? Not that encouraging. The latest Democracy Corps poll was 47-47. The Real Clear Politics average of polls has the president up a whopping three-tenths of a percentage point. And I am hearing the garbage that Democratic donors are telling Democratic fundraisers ..."Obama has it in the bag."

Newsflash: Nothing is in the bag. Nothing can be taken for granted. Everybody from the precinct door-knocker, to the Chicago high command, to the White House, to the halls of Congress, to the Senate and House committees, to congressional leadership, here is a simple message: If we don't get on the offense, reconnect with the American people, talk about how the middle class is in a struggle for its very existence, hold the Republicans accountable and fight like the dickens, we are going to lose.

You can shoot five Bin Ladens, you can save 10,000 banks and 20 car companies, even pass the most sweeping legislation in modern American history; if people don't think that you are connected to their lives and are fighting for their interests they will vote your tush out of office in a nano-second. For historical reference see Winston Churchill election of 1945 and President George H.W. Bush in 1992.

So, fellow Democrats -- we've got a fight on our hands. We've got to fight in the same way that the people we care most about have fought for quite some time. They have been crushed by high health care costs, soaring education costs, stagnant wages and financial bailouts for irresponsible firms.

Combine all of this with the fact that the Republicans are raising not millions, not tens of millions, but potentially hundreds of millions of dollars from the pollution industry as result of Citizens United v. FEC.

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There is a full-fledged legislative agenda in many states to keep Democrats from even voting. We are literally being attacked from every side while simultaneously being lulled into some self-induced stupor thinking that this thing is somehow in the bag. It is not.

Oh I know what you are going to say, "Look at Mitt Romney, look how pathetic he is..." Actually pathetic is a kind word for Romney and this campaign. Mitt Romney is to presidential campaigns as the Delta House grade point average was to Faber College -- the worst in history. I mean, my God, when you hold a press conference to rebut charges that you have a Cold War mentality and then you have foreign policy "experts" talk about Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union in "contemporary" terms -- really?

I know that the Swiss and Cayman Island bank accounts drive swing voters and independents over the edge. I've gotten all of the reports from focus group moderators as to how devastating this is to Romney.

Why a man who knows he is running for president (who claims to know something about the American economy) would for any reason keep money in offshore accounts, I have no idea. And I know that we are going to take him out to the cornfield (like at the end of the movie "Casino") on the Ryan budget.

However, I fear that all of this will not be enough unless we have a real change of attitude about the difficult campaign ahead of us. It has been said that, "Nothing so focuses a man's attention as the prospect of being hanged." Look around Democrats -- Come November let's make sure that it's Mitt and his bunch at the end of that figurative rope and not us
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All the Republicans have to do is shut up, sit back and watch the implosion move forward.
Yeah, like the GOP will actually shut up. There's been and is, too much goddamn infighting within the GOP for it to actually solidify into anything. GOP is just as fractured as ever and has lacked solid leadership for years.
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Yeah, like the GOP will actually shut up. There's been and is, too much goddamn infighting within the GOP for it to actually solidify into anything. GOP is just as fractured as ever and has lacked solid leadership for years.
Agreed, but few people care...I certainly wish they'd have come up with a better candidate but I honestly don't think it much matters. Democrats will vote Democrat, Republicans will vote Republican...most of the remaining 30% are leaning anti-incumbent...as they have across the World really.

The same happened in 2008. I think more people voted against Bush than voted for Obama.

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So my primary concerns in this election are the economy and cutting government spending (lowering taxes for the masses). Also, cutting down on these expensive ass wars.
"lowering taxes for sheep like gone in 3"

not going to happen with a democrat. You think a party whose entire campaign is social programs which taxes everyoen to death is a way to lower taxes? Plus, all their wasteful spending? you don't remember my stosel videos of wasteful spending?


"expensive war"
war is pretty cheap compared to what it would be generations ago. And atleast the war is giving people jobs in building military products for the private sector.


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I fear the guy is a chameleon and will do anything for his buddies and special interests.
you saying Obama didn't? Obama putting some liberals in the supreme court, getting his buddies in the cabinets. Obama's cash for clunkers which didn't help anyone except the foreign car makers.


Did you forget Obama and Blagoivich being in a corrupt scandal. And Obama got away from being in the fed prison?
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This is why I don't vote. Every year it's this:



Reagan raised taxes 8 times (well, there you go again),
Bush 1 was a whimp (1,000 points of light),
Clinton got blown (I did not have sex with that woman),
Bush 2 could barely read "My Pet Goat" (Most of our imports come from foreign countries). And in 2004, the best the Dems could put up was Kerry? Really?
And Obama is the worst president ever? Really?? And Romney will be better? Really???

It sucks not having some real choices. Every time it's the same monkeys flinging the same shit at the people, and your choices are basically to pick the 1 monkey you think you'll be covered in less shit by.

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Supreme court justices. The liberals put on justices that hate the constitution. So Romney will be my choice. Also obama has failed at everything he has done.
That right there is THE single most important point in this entire thread. I'll be voting for Romney, to protect our rights from a liberal heavy supreme ct. If they get their hands on the court and start filling it with liberal activist judges. We may as well use the constitution for toilet paper.




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