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THis shit pisses me off soooo bad, the dude admitted it, was caught killin a bunch of mofos, has a shitload of witnesses who saw him - why cant we just put him to death? Fuckin BS Cant try him because of a beard! Ya know what he doesnt want to shave it - then pour some gas on his head and burn the shit off - problem solved - wtf


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FORT HOOD, Texas The trial for an Army psychiatrist charged in the deadly 2009 Fort Hood shooting was put on hold Wednesday by an appeals court considering his objections to being forcibly shaved.

Maj. Nidal Hasan had been scheduled to enter a plea Wednesday to charges in the attack at the Texas Army post, but all court proceedings were put on hold before he could do that.

Hasan, an American-born Muslim, indicated he wanted to plead guilty for religious reasons, according to a defense motion. But the judge, Col. Gregory Gross, said he would not be able to accept a guilty plea on the 13 charges of premeditated murder. That's because the charges carry death as the maximum punishment and the government is pursuing the death penalty in Hasan's case.

Hasan, 41, also is charged with 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.

The trial, which was scheduled to start Monday, will be on hold until the appeals court rules on Hasan's objection to being shaved. Wednesday's court order that put the proceedings on hold gives the judge a week to respond.

Hasan has grown the beard in violation of Army regulations, and Gross has not allowed him to stay in the courtroom, saying the beard is a disruption. However, the judge said he wants Hasan in the room during the the court-martial to prevent a possible appeal on the issue if he is convicted. He said Hasan would be forcibly shaved at some point before the trial if he didn't shave the beard himself.

Hasan's attorneys have said he won't shave because the beard is an expression of his Muslim faith. Hasan also has had a premonition that his death is imminent, his attorneys said.

"He does not wish to die without a beard as he believes not having a beard is a sin," one of Hasan's attorneys wrote in his appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces.

Gross told defense attorneys at a previous hearing that no military convicts have been executed since 1961. Prosecutors have said Hasan grew the beard so that trial witnesses would have a hard time identifying him.

Gross previously delayed Hasan's trial from March to June and then to August. On Tuesday, he refused defense attorneys' request to delay the start of the trial again and said it would begin with jury selection as scheduled Monday.

At the start of Tuesday's hearing, Gross once again found Hasan in contempt of court and fined him $1,000 for disobeying orders to shave. Hasan then was taken to a nearby room to watch the proceedings on a closed-circuit television, as he has done since first showing up in court with the beard in June.

Military prosecutors and defense attorneys are barred from discussing the case outside the courtroom. However, some military law experts not involved in the case said that if Hasan wanted to plead guilty, it was not because he has any regrets or remorse.

"He may say he was justified in killing because of his religious beliefs," said Jeffrey Addicott, director of the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's University School of Law.

The delay is frustrating for many involved in the case, although some victims' relatives say they have grown accustomed to waiting for the trial to start. The shooting rampage happened almost three years ago.

"I stopped holding my breath a long time ago as far as expecting to get any closure regarding the trial," said Leila Hunt Willingham, whose brother Jason Dean "J.D." Hunt was killed in the shooting.



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Military courts and justice are an enigma to me. If he is under military jurisdiction why would an appeals court have any jurisdiction over his motion regarding his beard?
I would be very surprised if he is allowed to keep the beard...then again... our Attorney General defines his crime as "workplace violence" instead of a terrorist attack and nothing done in this administration surprises me anymore.

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Military courts and justice are an enigma to me. If he is under military jurisdiction why would an appeals court have any jurisdiction over his motion regarding his beard?
I would be very surprised if he is allowed to keep the beard...then again... our Attorney General defines his crime as "workplace violence" instead of a terrorist attack and nothing done in this administration surprises me anymore.
http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/newca...ell_review.htm

Looks like the military has its own appeals court.

IMO the b.s. is with the court requiring the shaving of the beard. If this guy was fighting charges to stay in the military that would be a different story. But this guy is on trial for his life, the beard will only help his conviction.

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yeah, I have to agree with you, tnat. The military is handling this psycho @sshole with kid gloves. The criminal is still in the Army, so f*ck his beard. Shave him and put him on trial. Why is this still going on???

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neg, I think its BS of the army to hold up this crap.

Let the bearded bitch enter the courtroom, sentence him, killed, done. Problem solved.
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When was the last time we asked for the death penalty or life in prison to our soldier who carried out a similar attack against foreigners, whether it was towards friendly civilians or friendly military personnel?

Oh right, American lives are more valuable than Afghani/Iraqi.

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When was the last time we asked for the death penalty or life in prison to our soldier who carried out a similar attack against foreigners, whether it was towards friendly civilians or friendly military personnel?

Oh right, American lives are more valuable than Afghani/Iraqi.
I do not have an answer to your first question, but seriously you love to stir the pot. Hopefully you get all that shit out of your system on here and you dont search for drama in real life.

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I do not have an answer to your first question, but seriously you love to stir the pot. Hopefully you get all that shit out of your system on here and you dont search for drama in real life.
Its a genuine question.

Unfortunately, it applies to military of all nations, not just ours.

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Its a genuine question.

Unfortunately, it applies to military of all nations, not just ours.
Hence I said I do not have an answer and I do not feel like researching it.

However, you know that you made the statement to get people involved in a discussion not just to find out the answer. I guess people are as used to your pot stirring as they are to TDS nonsense.

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Oh right, American lives are more valuable than Afghani/Iraqi.

And to your statement. Yes.

Also put every other country in that list as well.
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When was the last time we asked for the death penalty or life in prison to our soldier who carried out a similar attack against foreigners, whether it was towards friendly civilians or friendly military personnel?

Oh right, American lives are more valuable than Afghani/Iraqi.
Big difference as this guy planned the whole murder out and shot his own coworkers. So if some coworker of your fiances goes nuts and ass rapes her then cuts her fuckin head off and jerks off into her dead mouth - you wouldnt want him to die?

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"He does not wish to die without a beard as he believes not having a beard is a sin"
lmfao, the irony
I was thinking the same thing. It's Ok to murder people in cold blood but Allah can't take you if you die without a beard?


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When was the last time we asked for the death penalty or life in prison to our soldier who carried out a similar attack against foreigners, whether it was towards friendly civilians or friendly military personnel?

Oh right, American lives are more valuable than Afghani/Iraqi.
This was a soldier doing murder on his fellow soldiers. I personally think that he should be put to death. Don't waste any more time or resources on this Ahole.
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Oh right, American lives are more valuable than Afghani/Iraqi.

Thats because Afghani havn't evolved. The smart people moved out of the shiethole. Afghanis, live in dirt homes making sand castles.


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Thats because Afghani havn't evolved. The smart people moved out of the shiethole. Afghanis, live in dirt homes making sand castles.


How many afghanis make your Ipod? None, thats right, they are not valuable, Bro.
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Make an example of him...Cut off his beard, convict him, sentence him, hang him or put him before a firing squad and then bury him publicly broadcast worldwide in the skin of a pig in an unmarked grave in an undisclosed location!
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Old time you got it all wrong - 1st strap him down and let 5 500lb hogs ass rape him and pump 5 qts of hog semen into him from both ends, then tie baby piglets all over his body then stuff him into a woodchipper with the piglets then blow the chum to starving hogs let them eat the dudes pig chum and then let the hogs shit him out so other hogs can eat the hog human shit - quite the deterent!

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^^^Too Messy to broadcast on TV all over the world. Too unacceptable...a desicration... I'm actually not kidding...These terrorists believe they will receive great rewards in heaven for killing us. They also believe they can't get into heaven without a beard and if they are buried in a pig skin.
What I'm saying is make the consequence and penalty of terrorist acts eternal. Not only do you die here but you are kept from the rewards there!

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I feel that your approach to dealing with the situation is not only sadistic, but it would also be traumatic to the persons who had to oversee the process. Also, I feel it would give the defendant and his peers/followers exactly what he/they want, which is publicity.
In my opinion, whenever dealing with horrendous crimes like this, the proceedings should be done swiftly and quietly to minimize publicity. Something so simple as the beard, even though against army regulations, should have been excused for the sake of speeding up the process and not allowing the defendant the additional 15 minutes of fame.
Your theory that publicizing a gruesome execution of the defendant will be a deterrent is in my opinion false. In my opinion, all it would do is feed the desires of fame of future nutcases and provide ammunition to his peers and followers about the nature of Americans.

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You're entitled to your opinion of course but, in this day & age there is no such thing as swiftly and quietly without publicity.
With the fundlementalist there is no earthly deterent. The death penalty does not scare them. They believe it is their duty to die for the cause and they believe there are fantastic rewards in the afterlife for them for commiting these crimes. Taking steps that they believe will keep them from the afterlife if they are caught and convicted may very well be the only deterent there is.
It would be interesting to me to hear how you think what I'm saying here is sadistic. The convicted would be dead and executed in the properly prescribed by law manner. The remains would be treated properly but instead of a cotton shroud lining the pine box, wrap them in a pig skin. What's sadistic about that? I think it would show in their world that we will exact justice by not allowing them the rewards they believe in.

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You're entitled to your opinion of course but, in this day & age there is no such thing as swiftly and quietly without publicity.
With the fundlementalist there is no earthly deterent. The death penalty does not scare them. They believe it is their duty to die for the cause and they believe there are fantastic rewards in the afterlife for them for commiting these crimes. Taking steps that they believe will keep them from the afterlife if they are caught and convicted may very well be the only deterent there is.
It would be interesting to me to hear how you think what I'm saying here is sadistic. The convicted would be dead and executed in the properly prescribed by law manner. The remains would be treated properly but instead of a cotton shroud lining the pine box, wrap them in a pig skin. What's sadistic about that? I think it would show in their world that we will exact justice by not allowing them the rewards they believe in.
I follow your logic. I am having difficulty comprehending the logistics after the execution. On a side note, do you know what happens to the body after an American is executed? Does the penal system arrange for the burial or does the family receive the body? If the family receives the body, then the whole pig skin would not work. I am just looking at the practical side of things.

As far as the sadistic comment, it mostly referred to Tony's comments, but the whole pig skin thing seems pretty discusting as well. Do you mean fresh skin or processed pork leather?

Either way, seems that the government's role is done after the execution and anything beyond that is sacriligious, which in this situation is intended to be that way.

Finally, yes, quiet in this day and age is difficult, but limiting "minor" drama and proceding swiftly is still in my opinion the best choice that limits their fame.

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