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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-15-2012, 04:37 AM Thread Starter
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Obama green agenda

another thing that liberals do that makes me sick

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Steven Chu, our brilliant Secretary of Energy supported both A 123 and Fisker with our taxpayer money. He had this nave belief that plug in battery cars would become a big player in the auto market and that A 123 as well as Ener 1 would be able to compete with Asian manufacturers of lithium ion batteries in his dreamed-for massive market for electric cars.

Today A 123 joins Ener 1 in bankruptcy.

The lithium ion market has been brutal for US manufacturers. Several months back, Ener 1 went bust. They received Department of Energy (DOE) money. Then Valence Technology followed into bankruptcy (fortunately, they did not receive DOE money. Now A 123 is bankrupt, and they did receive a pile of money from the DOE. Two other US players in the lithium ion battery business are also in trouble. Boston Power just fired its US CEO, and the company is becoming almost fully Chinese. The Michigan factory of the Korean company, LG, that received DOE money has workers on furlough and has yet to provide a single US made battery to GM for its Chevy Volt.

Nissan has yet to assembly a single Leaf in Tennessee after having been given over a billion dollars by Secretary Chu. Ford has all but given up on plug-in cars and Toyota has basically decided that traditional hybrids are its best bet.

Why are all these lithium ion battery companies bankrupt and why are there so few plug-in electric cars on the road? The fools among us will again claim some sort of conspiracy to kill the electric car. The correct answer is that heavy, expensive, and weak batteries killed the electric car.

Secretary Chu, writing recently in the prestigious journal Nature, is quoted as saying: “The current production cost of a vehicle battery is estimated to be $650 per kilowatt hour of usable energy storage.” (Nature, Vol 488, 16 August 2012, page 295).

Yes, even Dr. Chu now agrees that lithium ion batteries are very expensive to produce.
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I actually agree with Elroy. There's no conspiracy, batteries are heavy, expensive, and inefficient. Until batteries can at least overcome 2 of these 3 obstacles we won't see plug-in cars.

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sucks that a123 is bankrupt the y made really nice power tool cells

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I actually agree with Elroy. There's no conspiracy, batteries are heavy, expensive, and inefficient. Until batteries can at least overcome 2 of these 3 obstacles we won't see plug-in cars.
not to mention charging times between battery depletion.

It's a shame they didn't focus on promoting diesel fueled cars while starting an infrastructure transition to hydrogen, and mass produce cars like the Honda clarity

Look, I can appreciate this. I was young too, I felt just like you. Hated authority, hated all my bosses, thought they were full of shit. Look, it's like they say, if you're not a rebel by the age of 20, you got no heart, but if you haven't turned establishment by 30, you've got no brains. Because there are no story-book romances, no fairy-tale endings. So before you run out and change the world, ask yourself, "What do you really want?"
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so does that mean conspiracy theorists are wrong about us invading Afghanistan for lithium?
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obama's green agenda has taken billions from poor americans to develop technology the market isnt demanding at the moment and handed all that development to the chinese
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obama's green agenda has taken billions from poor americans to develop technology the market isnt demanding at the moment and handed all that development to the chinese
i knew that muzzie was up to no good.

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Did he do something wrog with his exhaust systems?
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Look, I can appreciate this. I was young too, I felt just like you. Hated authority, hated all my bosses, thought they were full of shit. Look, it's like they say, if you're not a rebel by the age of 20, you got no heart, but if you haven't turned establishment by 30, you've got no brains. Because there are no story-book romances, no fairy-tale endings. So before you run out and change the world, ask yourself, "What do you really want?"
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