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"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God, and I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen" - GOP candidate for US Senate in Indiana, Richard Mourdock

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Gotta love these religious nutballs.

The bigger questions here is, how can people worship someone/something that can allow such heinous acts of violence on innocent life? (I.e. take a 11 y/o gangbanged who then becomes pregnant)

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Democrats might not be perfect, but you'd never see one spout this nonsense.

You know, its ironic how similar these extreme right wing religious Republicans are to the Muslim extremists. Both use religion to justify the most repulsive acts of people are capable of.

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Your big question has a very simple answer.

Confusing and painful things happen to human beings during their lifetimes. The human brain needs a coping mechanism, and if it can't be reached with understanding and rationalization it needs to come from other means. Religion (all religion) provides an umbrella answer to everything using faith in something all powerful and all knowing.

This is enough to satisfy the human brain and provide it with the will to move past whatever awful or confusing thing it was confronting at the time.

Conceptually - it's not all that difficult to understand.

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Confusing and painful things happen to human beings during their lifetimes. The human brain needs a coping mechanism, and if it can't be reached with understanding and rationalization it needs to come from other means.
One can use the same logic against God.

What I find interesting is that people worship in a wonderful, loving, and a just being, but with all the f-ed up things that happen to innocent people (rape, torture, infanticide), it completely contradicts all the things we've been taught about God.

My gripe is not with a conservative GOP candidate, but with the notion of God and how he can allow such things to happen to the people he himself has created.

How do religions jusitify such acts?

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I love it when ultra-right republicans shoot themselves in the foot before an election by pissing off the almost 200,000 women that annually report being victims of sexual assault and the 32,000 women in this country a year who get pregnant as the result of rape.

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Because we have elected officials who actively implement their personal religious beliefs on others through laws.

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If I pretend that is a serious question - I'll give you my serious answer.

If you base your life/faith around the notion that "everything happens for a reason" and that reason was carefully carved out for each person by the being that loves and cares for you more than anything - then it's very easy to deal with hardships.

Examples: I broke my arm because God / Allah / Yaweh / Jah / etc. wanted me to understand pain and identify with those less fortunate. Or to learn how to wipe my arse with my other hand... or whatever.

Well then lesson learned and you can move on.

There are no religions that I'm aware of (and I'm aware of most) that suggest nothing bad will ever happen to you if your faith is strong enough.

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If you base your life/faith around the notion that "everything happens for a reason" and that reason was carefully carved out for each person by the being that loves and cares for you more than anything - then it's very easy to deal with hardships.
The problem I see with that is, it does not apply to people who've been through extremely traumatic experiences -- to a point that causes them to completely lose their sanity because of the overwhelming impact on their psyche.

How can you tell someone like that..."yeah, god meant this to happen to you."

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Again - it's a coping mechanism. Not a solution. Those are fundamentally different things, and religion is careful to keep the two separate in the mainstream. Once that line becomes blurry - you become a radical and things tend to spiral sorta quickly.

Stockholm Syndrome is a fantastic (and interesting) example of how human beings can shape their situations in order to cope with bad shit.

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Being a person of faith, my reply to Mr. Mourdock would be to remind him that God doesn't ordain the bad things in life. It's not his will that a woman is raped or that a pregnancy resulted and that he is totally ignoring the fact that evil exists and it's champion is constantly assaulting in an effort destroy faith in God.
I am pro life but, I am not and never have been so extreme that I believe that there should be no exceptions. Rape, incest, health and well being of the mother. The good and loving God I believe in forgives these types of exceptions.

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Rape is not God's will? I thought he was all powerful and had dominion over everything?

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Rape is not God's will? I thought he was all powerful and had dominion over everything?
wouldn't people who believe in God also belief in the Devil and say that was "the Devil's work"?

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Rape is not God's will? I thought he was all powerful and had dominion over everything?
You obviously don't have understanding of how the faith thing works. Either that or you don't understand because you don't want to...whatever...it's your choice... While God is all powerful and is capable of anything he gives us free will. With free will comes responsibility. With free will comes the opportunity for evil. Evil is not of God.
The struggle between God and evil is ongoing. It is through faith that we should reject the force of evil. He gives us the free will to choose a path. If we choose to follow him through faith we are rewarded with peace in spite of the evil that surrounds us and an eternal life with him.
If one chooses evil, they will eventually suffer the consequences of that choice.
There is forgiveness, which must be asked for, that will save you from the consequences of evil but, depending on the doctrine, certain requirements must be met for forgiveness.
What's interesting is every major faith is a variation on this same theme.

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Getting really sick of this. One's relationship with God, at whatever level that might be, is between them and God and is no one else's business. What a woman chooses to do with her body is also of no concern to anyone else. People need to stop trying to instill their own personal beliefs onto other people when it ultimately is none of their fucking business.

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You obviously don't have understanding of how the faith thing works. Either that or you don't understand because you don't want to...whatever...it's your choice... While God is all powerful and is capable of anything he gives us free will. With free will comes responsibility. With free will comes the opportunity for evil. Evil is not of God.
The struggle between God and evil is ongoing. It is through faith that we should reject the force of evil. He gives us the free will to choose a path. If we choose to follow him through faith we are rewarded with peace in spite of the evil that surrounds us and an eternal life with him.
If one chooses evil, they will eventually suffer the consequences of that choice.
There is forgiveness, which must be asked for, that will save you from the consequences of evil but, depending on the doctrine, certain requirements must be met for forgiveness.
What's interesting is every major faith is a variation on this same theme.
Didn't God create Satan?
If that's the case, then God's responsible for the actions of Satan.
If he didn't want all these bad things to happen, then he would have eliminated Satan.

So thus, God facilitates all the evil on earth through his spawn. Or through the will of man kind, which he allowed us to have.

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Getting really sick of this. One's relationship with God, at whatever level that might be, is between them and God and is no one else's business. What a woman chooses to do with her body is also of no concern to anyone else. People need to stop trying to instill their own personal beliefs onto other people when it ultimately is none of their fucking business.
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The guy is a moron ....but he just mis-spoke.


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Mourdock, seeking to clarify his comments in a press conference following the debate, said he had intended to say that "God creates life," and that any interpretation of his comments to mean God "pre-ordained rape" were "sick" and "twisted."
"What I said was, in answering the question form my position of faith, I said I believe that God creates life. I believe that as wholly and as fully as I can believe it. That God creates life," Mourdock said. "Are you trying to suggest that somehow I think that God pre-ordained rape? No, I don't think that. That's sick. Twisted. That's not even close to what I said. What I said is that God creates life."


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This is mostly idiots / political shills throwing gas on a fire.

I find it funny as it gets a bunch of morons all whipped up about "God" and "faith" and "freedom of choice".


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Didn't God create Satan?
If that's the case, then God's responsible for the actions of Satan.
If he didn't want all these bad things to happen, then he would have eliminated Satan.

So thus, God facilitates all the evil on earth through his spawn. Or through the will of man kind, which he allowed us to have.
wat?

God didn't create Satan. God's coworkers decided being good to people wasn't his cup of tea, so he decided to be a muslim.
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Getting really sick of this. One's relationship with God, at whatever level that might be, is between them and God and is no one else's business. What a woman chooses to do with her body is also of no concern to anyone else. People need to stop trying to instill their own personal beliefs onto other people when it ultimately is none of their fucking business.
Plus!

I think the fact that God was brought into this guys argument confuses things. When I read through his actual statement I gathered another way to look at it and leave God out of the equation would be:

A bad thing happened. But it certainly isn't the child's fault.

The way he said it the statement is all full of God's will and fire and brimstone.

That being said, I agree with Dave. Don't tell me what to think or believe. I'll let the woman make the decision about what to do. She'll have to live with the decision. Some will be able to make it with a clear conscious and others won't.

It's like when you read the stories about casualties. Some die and others survive. Survival doesn't mean you heal 100%. Some people are left with scars that impact the rest of their lives.

I don't know what I'd do if this happened to my wife or daughter but I'd try to support the decision they made and I'd talk it through with them. It would suck and it would leave scars. That's for sure. I just don't care if God wanted it to happen or not. All I know is that a child conceived under those circumstances didn't have any say in the matter.

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Didn't God create Satan?
If that's the case, then God's responsible for the actions of Satan.
If he didn't want all these bad things to happen, then he would have eliminated Satan.

So thus, God facilitates all the evil on earth through his spawn. Or through the will of man kind, which he allowed us to have.
No, God did not create the evil Satan. Lucifer, which was his heavenly name, had free will just as God's children on earth do.
I'm not going to run to a Bible and try and look it all up and quote scripture and I'm not a biblical scholar or theologian but, as I recall from my Sunday school and the religious rearing of my parents...and what I accept on faith...Lucifer was one of Gods closest and most trusted angels but he started to believe that he could replace God and that he could be a better God. That was of course unacceptable and he was cast from heaven along with any of the other angels who followed him. This was before God giving the earth form and light and the creation of man.
I accept these things on faith but, I also realize that fundamental literal acceptance is far fetched. I rationalize it to myself and my modern educated mind that these versions of events were put forth for a much simpler time and a much simpler group of people and the realities of what took place will one day be revealed to me at a time and place of God's chosing, not mine.
That said...There are events that science is aware of and has documented proof of that ONLY can be explained by accounts in the Bible. Like the great flood of Noah's Ark. and the story where God made the sun stand still in the sky for a full day...it just so happens that time as related to the earth revolving around the sun is off by 24 hours...The Bible account of the sun standing still in the sky is the only explanation anyone has ever found for this anomoly. AND...No, I'm not going to go off and try to prove that...It's a thing I heard in a lecture at Wheaton college decades ago that was told by a source I trust and I accept it on faith as well...If anyone wants to dispute it...I leave it to you to disprove.
I don't have a desire to force my faith on anyone else...If you've heard the message of God and choose to reject it, that's between you and God.
One final thing though...Gods words and laws and doctines and even his miracles have been misused and misinterpreted by men since God breathed life into Adam...American politicians from all ideologies are no exception...and the misuse and misinterpretation of Gods words and such should not be blamed on God.

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No, God did not create the evil Satan. Lucifer, which was his heavenly name, had free will just as God's children on earth do.
I'm not going to run to a Bible and try and look it all up and quote scripture and I'm not a biblical scholar or theologian but, as I recall from my Sunday school and the religious rearing of my parents...and what I accept on faith...Lucifer was one of Gods closest and most trusted angels but he started to believe that he could replace God and that he could be a better God. That was of course unacceptable and he was cast from heaven along with any of the other angels who followed him. This was before God giving the earth form and light and the creation of man.
I accept these things on faith but, I also realize that fundamental literal acceptance is far fetched. I rationalize it to myself and my modern educated mind that these versions of events were put forth for a much simpler time and a much simpler group of people and the realities of what took place will one day be revealed to me at a time and place of God's chosing, not mine.
That said...There are events that science is aware of and has documented proof of that ONLY can be explained by accounts in the Bible. Like the great flood of Noah's Ark. and the story where God made the sun stand still in the sky for a full day...it just so happens that time as related to the earth revolving around the sun is off by 24 hours...The Bible account of the sun standing still in the sky is the only explanation anyone has ever found for this anomoly. AND...No, I'm not going to go off and try to prove that...It's a thing I heard in a lecture at Wheaton college decades ago that was told by a source I trust and I accept it on faith as well...If anyone wants to dispute it...I leave it to you to disprove.
I don't have a desire to force my faith on anyone else...If you've heard the message of God and choose to reject it, that's between you and God.
One final thing though...Gods words and laws and doctines and even his miracles have been misused and misinterpreted by men since God breathed life into Adam...American politicians from all ideologies are no exception...and the misuse and misinterpretation of Gods words and such should not be blamed on God.
So if God could have easily destroyed Lucifer but choose to let him live instead and have his evil influence, isn't God then responsible for all the evils on Earth? Because he allowed it to happen and continues to let it happen?

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So if God could have easily destroyed Lucifer but choose to let him live instead and have his evil influence, isn't God then responsible for all the evils on Earth? Because he allowed it to happen and continues to let it happen?
pst, blaiming god for muslims.
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this is the one area i stray from my republican ways.. im pro life, however there are circumstances where having the choice should be allowed. Rape is one of them. Health of the mother, children under the age of 18 to give a few. That being said I also think there should be rules like anyone one on welfare or living off the government should not be allowed to reproduce without losing there aid, shit birth control should be given to them as part of there agreement to take the aid/ along with a mandatory yearly random drug test

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