Who should have the right to ask about gun ownership? - Chicagoland Sportbikes
Chicagoland Sportbikes
 
World news and Politics Discussions This is the place for all discussions about whats going on in the news and all of those political debates so many of us love to have.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 05:02 PM Thread Starter
Greg
 
gsd656's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Morton Grove, Illinois
Posts: 3,677
Location: Morton Grove, Illinois
Sportbike: 2008 HD VRSCAW, 1985 Honda XR350R (Sold), 2001 SV650s (Sold), 2002 Sea-Doo GTX Di
Years Riding: I thought I was getting the hang of it...back to the basics.
How you found us: mentioned on svrider.com
           
Send a message via Yahoo to gsd656
Who should have the right to ask about gun ownership?

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Feat...ownership.aspx

By Michelle Andrews

Nov 26, 2012
Should doctors be able to ask patients or patients' parents whether they own a gun? What about health insurers, employers or health-care officials implementing the federal health law? Can they ask about gun ownership?

The issue is playing out in Florida, where a federal judge in July issued a permanent injunction against enforcement of a law that would have prohibited doctors from asking patients about gun ownership in many instances, saying the prohibition impinged on doctors’ First Amendment right to speak with their patients about gun safety.
The law would have allowed physicians to ask about guns if it seemed relevant to a patient's medical care or safety – for example, if a patient was severely depressed or experiencing violence in the home. Florida is appealing the judge's ruling.
Six other states - Alabama, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee and West Virginia - have considered similar legislation in recent years, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, although none of them has approved such a law.
The 2010 federal health law doesn't prevent doctors from asking about guns, but it does prohibit insurers, employers and the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services from asking about gun ownership in many instances, and it prohibits HHS from collecting such data.
Employer-sponsored wellness programs, for example, are prohibited from asking people about gun use or storage. Such questions might be posed as part of a questionnaire that asks about risky health behavior such as smoking and inadequate exercise. Likewise, health insurers can't use gun ownership, use or storage as criteria for setting premiums or denying coverage.
Even without the new restrictions, such questions are rarely asked or acted on, say experts. "We don’t have any data or industry information on [this subject], but it isn’t something that we’ve heard about or seen companies do," says Susan Pisano, a spokeswoman for America's Health Insurance Plans, an industry trade group.
Physicians say that asking whether there are guns in the home and how they're stored should be part of routine discussions doctors have about hazards in the home, just as they ask about poisonous cleaning materials or fencing around outdoor pools.
More From This Series Insuring Your Health


In most instances, those conversations take place between pediatricians and parents of young children.
In 2009, one in five deaths caused by injuries to people younger than 20 were related to firearms, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics' revised policy statement on gun-related injuries released in October.
"It's inconceivable to me that I wouldn’t be able to have a conversation about something that might harm the child," says Robert Sege, director of the division of family and child advocacy at Boston Medical Center. Sometimes parents have declined to answer when he asks if they have guns at home, he says, and in those cases he doesn't push for answers but does provide gun-safety pointers.
But gun-rights advocates say information about gun ownership is no one’s business but their own. They say it’s up to the individual to abide by laws related to gun ownership and safe storage.
"We take our children to the doctor because they're sick or need health care," says Marion Hammer, a former National Rifle Association president who is the executive director of United Sportsmen of Florida, the NRA's legislative affiliate for the state. "We don’t take them there for political dialogue or for pediatricians to ask us not to exercise a constitutional right."
Gun control advocates view the health law provisions and state laws like the one in Florida as part of a "concerted effort by the gun lobby to limit access to information about the dangers of gun ownership and about the use of guns in crimes," says Benjamin Van Houten, managing attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
Gun rights advocates see it differently. Hammer describes taking her granddaughter to the pediatrician near her home in Tallahassee a few years ago for a check-up. The doctor, who was new to the practice, asked her 14-year-old granddaughter whether there were guns at her home. Hammer declined to answer the question.
"It was the first and only time that’s happened," says Hammer. "We don’t see her anymore."
Please send comments or ideas for future topics for the Insuring Your Health column to [email protected].
SHAREEMAIL

Greg

gsd656 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 08:50 PM
Pierced & tattooed freak!
 
GixxerDave's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Oswego, IL
Posts: 3,045
Location: Oswego, IL
Sportbike: 1999 GSX-R750
Years Riding: "None of your bleepin' business!" - Joe Pesci
How you found us: Read about it in a fortune cookie
           
My position on people owning a gun is similar to fat people owning spandex: Yes, you're entitled to own it, but I don't want to see you with it. Everyone who can legally own a gun has the right to own one. No one should have the right to ask you about your gun ownership: It's none of their business.

Dante: [to Randal] You never go ass-to-mouth!
Randal: [to Dante] Would you grow up!
Becky: [to Dante] OK, I'm only telling you this because we're friends, but sometimes, in the heat of the moment, it's forgivable to go ass-to-mouth.
Randal: [chuckling] Ha! I knew it.
GixxerDave is offline  
post #3 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 11:16 PM
Old Squid on a Blade
 
Blade Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Carpentersville
Posts: 9,389
Location: Carpentersville
Sportbike: 2000 929
Years Riding: Longer than most of you have been alive. And I'm still slow.
How you found us: The voices in my head told me to come here
           
So you own spandex and are feeling a little insecure about it? TMI... :-)

There is nothing firm, nothing balanced, nothing durable in all the universe. Nothing remains in its original state, each day, each hour, each moment, there is change. Change is the essence of life. Embrace change as you do life. To fight change is to live in the past.
Blade Runner is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 12:06 AM
C2M
ǝɹoɯʎuɐ ʞɔnɟ ɐ sǝʌıƃ oɥʍ
 
C2M's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Crook county
Posts: 11,372
Location: Crook county
Sportbike: 636/ zzr600/ r6
Years Riding: Since 07
How you found us: bathroom stall
           
Honestly its none of their business make it a law and ill still answer the question with the same answer. its not your business nor does it pertain to receiving the proper medical care.

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
C2M is offline  
post #5 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 12:42 PM
Old Squid on a Blade
 
Blade Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Carpentersville
Posts: 9,389
Location: Carpentersville
Sportbike: 2000 929
Years Riding: Longer than most of you have been alive. And I'm still slow.
How you found us: The voices in my head told me to come here
           
For the record, I do think a MD or a shrink should be able to ask. I agree with the injunction. The original law was poorly conceived. An MD's responsibilities also include the mental health of a patient. Knowing if a mentally "sick" patient has guns can have a direct effect on selection of drugs, warnings about drug interactions or other treatment. You certainly have the right to decline to answer and the doctor certainly has the right to withhold or modify treatment.

There is nothing firm, nothing balanced, nothing durable in all the universe. Nothing remains in its original state, each day, each hour, each moment, there is change. Change is the essence of life. Embrace change as you do life. To fight change is to live in the past.
Blade Runner is offline  
post #6 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 12:44 PM
Pierced & tattooed freak!
 
GixxerDave's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Oswego, IL
Posts: 3,045
Location: Oswego, IL
Sportbike: 1999 GSX-R750
Years Riding: "None of your bleepin' business!" - Joe Pesci
How you found us: Read about it in a fortune cookie
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade Runner View Post
So you own spandex and are feeling a little insecure about it? TMI... :-)
LOL ... no, I'm way too old and fat for spandex.

Dante: [to Randal] You never go ass-to-mouth!
Randal: [to Dante] Would you grow up!
Becky: [to Dante] OK, I'm only telling you this because we're friends, but sometimes, in the heat of the moment, it's forgivable to go ass-to-mouth.
Randal: [chuckling] Ha! I knew it.
GixxerDave is offline  
post #7 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 12:49 PM
Pierced & tattooed freak!
 
GixxerDave's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Oswego, IL
Posts: 3,045
Location: Oswego, IL
Sportbike: 1999 GSX-R750
Years Riding: "None of your bleepin' business!" - Joe Pesci
How you found us: Read about it in a fortune cookie
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by C2M View Post
Honestly its none of their business make it a law and ill still answer the question with the same answer. its not your business nor does it pertain to receiving the proper medical care.
100% agree, and you're being nice about it. I personally like the more blunt "none of your fucking business" response myself. Stupid irrelevent questions deserve a response of an equal level.

Dante: [to Randal] You never go ass-to-mouth!
Randal: [to Dante] Would you grow up!
Becky: [to Dante] OK, I'm only telling you this because we're friends, but sometimes, in the heat of the moment, it's forgivable to go ass-to-mouth.
Randal: [chuckling] Ha! I knew it.
GixxerDave is offline  
post #8 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 01:23 PM
Registered User
 
chibeemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,047
Location: Chicago
Sportbike: BMW R1100s
Years Riding: 13
How you found us: Rider
           
I don't keep guns in the house but I've had some neighbors ask my wife about them before bringing kids over. I think I'd like to know if I was sending kids over to someone's house if they have guns on site.

I'd like to think my kids won't play with them but I certainly don't trust some of the boys that come over. I've had kids find the damnedest things they are like bloodhounds for dangerous stuff, which reminds me I have to start locking up my pocket knives.

Nothing was as fun as finding my dad's pocket knives when I was a kid.

Blah, Blah, Blah

Get your Portable ID!
chibeemer is offline  
post #9 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 01:28 PM
The Halo hides my Horns
 
Lonely Raven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bolingbrook, IL
Posts: 12,687
Location: Bolingbrook, IL
Sportbike: SV650
Years Riding: 1 year
How you found us: Google
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade Runner View Post
For the record, I do think a MD or a shrink should be able to ask. I agree with the injunction. The original law was poorly conceived. An MD's responsibilities also include the mental health of a patient. Knowing if a mentally "sick" patient has guns can have a direct effect on selection of drugs, warnings about drug interactions or other treatment. You certainly have the right to decline to answer and the doctor certainly has the right to withhold or modify treatment.
Here is the thing though, and I've read articles about it happening already.


Say my fiance goes to the doctor because she's got the winter blues and wants xanax or whatever the latest magical drug is. The doctor asks, do you own any weapons or firearms ect. and she lets slip that we do.

Next thing I know, there are several officers at my door with a warrant of some sort saying they need to confiscate *all* the firearms in the house and if I don't comply I go to jail. For the safety of my fiance, and the neighborhood children...because there is a school just two blocks away, and a concerned doctor had filled out some form. bla bla bla.

I don't recall where I read about this, but this is why it's becoming such a big deal, it's already happened.

So then an individual now needs to spend thousands in court costs and doctors visits to prove little Fiance isn't going to run through a school in a fit of depression and start shooting children (think of the children!), and so I can even have guns in the house again, let alone getting all my gear back from impound...which, considering how long it takes to go through the courts, all my gear is now either owned by local officers or turned into rebar.

aut cum scuto aut in scuto

http://www.firespeedtactical.com

My ZenFolio Gallery: www.LonelyRaven.ZenFolio.com

Last edited by Lonely Raven; 11-28-2012 at 01:31 PM.
Lonely Raven is offline  
post #10 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 01:42 PM
Registered User
 
chibeemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,047
Location: Chicago
Sportbike: BMW R1100s
Years Riding: 13
How you found us: Rider
           
Hippa.

Blah, Blah, Blah

Get your Portable ID!
chibeemer is offline  
post #11 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 01:45 PM Thread Starter
Greg
 
gsd656's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Morton Grove, Illinois
Posts: 3,677
Location: Morton Grove, Illinois
Sportbike: 2008 HD VRSCAW, 1985 Honda XR350R (Sold), 2001 SV650s (Sold), 2002 Sea-Doo GTX Di
Years Riding: I thought I was getting the hang of it...back to the basics.
How you found us: mentioned on svrider.com
           
Send a message via Yahoo to gsd656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonely Raven View Post
Here is the thing though, and I've read articles about it happening already.


Say my fiance goes to the doctor because she's got the winter blues and wants xanax or whatever the latest magical drug is. The doctor asks, do you own any weapons or firearms ect. and she lets slip that we do.

Next thing I know, there are several officers at my door with a warrant of some sort saying they need to confiscate *all* the firearms in the house and if I don't comply I go to jail. For the safety of my fiance, and the neighborhood children...because there is a school just two blocks away, and a concerned doctor had filled out some form. bla bla bla.

I don't recall where I read about this, but this is why it's becoming such a big deal, it's already happened.

So then an individual now needs to spend thousands in court costs and doctors visits to prove little Fiance isn't going to run through a school in a fit of depression and start shooting children (think of the children!), and so I can even have guns in the house again, let alone getting all my gear back from impound...which, considering how long it takes to go through the courts, all my gear is now either owned by local officers or turned into rebar.
Sounds like some good ole NRA propaganda. Not that it could not happen, but...

Greg

gsd656 is offline  
post #12 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 01:58 PM
Registered Abuser
 
v2neal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Hastings, MN
Posts: 1,603
Location: Hastings, MN
Sportbike: ATK605,CR250,VTX
Years Riding: 26
How you found us: S.C.M.O.D.S.
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by chibeemer View Post
I don't keep guns in the house but I've had some neighbors ask my wife about them before bringing kids over. I think I'd like to know if I was sending kids over to someone's house if they have guns on site.
Without Gov't assistance or a law giving you the right to do so?

I'm shocked.

Life has no instruction manual. Parts and labor can be impossible to find. Many go down the road with parts that are in need of service. A breakdown is eventual.
v2neal is offline  
post #13 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 02:01 PM
Registered User
 
chibeemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,047
Location: Chicago
Sportbike: BMW R1100s
Years Riding: 13
How you found us: Rider
           
No just neighbors talking. I'm certainly not in favor of having a government clearing house for this purpose.

Blah, Blah, Blah

Get your Portable ID!
chibeemer is offline  
post #14 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 02:25 PM
Registered Abuser
 
v2neal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Hastings, MN
Posts: 1,603
Location: Hastings, MN
Sportbike: ATK605,CR250,VTX
Years Riding: 26
How you found us: S.C.M.O.D.S.
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by chibeemer View Post
No just neighbors talking. I'm certainly not in favor of having a government clearing house for this purpose.
I totally agree and wish more adults would think this way.
Free thought and communication, what a concept. LOL.

If a doctor feels it's relavant to ask this question, then fine, ask it. The person being questioned can answer or decline. I don't think we need a law to say that this is or isn't OK.
Ugh, less Gov't please.

Life has no instruction manual. Parts and labor can be impossible to find. Many go down the road with parts that are in need of service. A breakdown is eventual.
v2neal is offline  
post #15 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 02:33 PM
Registered User
 
chibeemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,047
Location: Chicago
Sportbike: BMW R1100s
Years Riding: 13
How you found us: Rider
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by v2neal View Post
Ugh, less Gov't please.
Can't agree more. I have a masters in Urban Planning which is about as socialist as you can get. However, my experience is that although government is necessary, every time government gets involved things get messed up or overly complicated.

So I suppose I'm sorta like the Ron Swanson of Parks and Rec. I love that guy. He says the best lines like when he's trying to ween Tom off all his gadgets and says to him "I'm going away to my cabin. It's a place the power company doesn't even know exists."

Blah, Blah, Blah

Get your Portable ID!
chibeemer is offline  
post #16 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 02:55 PM
Old Squid on a Blade
 
Blade Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Carpentersville
Posts: 9,389
Location: Carpentersville
Sportbike: 2000 929
Years Riding: Longer than most of you have been alive. And I'm still slow.
How you found us: The voices in my head told me to come here
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonely Raven View Post
Here is the thing though, and I've read articles about it happening already.


Say my fiance goes to the doctor because she's got the winter blues and wants xanax or whatever the latest magical drug is. The doctor asks, do you own any weapons or firearms ect. and she lets slip that we do.

Next thing I know, there are several officers at my door with a warrant of some sort saying they need to confiscate *all* the firearms in the house and if I don't comply I go to jail. For the safety of my fiance, and the neighborhood children...because there is a school just two blocks away, and a concerned doctor had filled out some form. bla bla bla.

I don't recall where I read about this, but this is why it's becoming such a big deal, it's already happened.

So then an individual now needs to spend thousands in court costs and doctors visits to prove little Fiance isn't going to run through a school in a fit of depression and start shooting children (think of the children!), and so I can even have guns in the house again, let alone getting all my gear back from impound...which, considering how long it takes to go through the courts, all my gear is now either owned by local officers or turned into rebar.
Show me specifically where this has happened. I don't believe it for simple depression. I also don't believe that they can take your lawfully owned weapons based on someone else in the household. This is somewhat NRA paranoid sounding. As mentioned, the doctor still has strict HIPPA privacy constraints on who he shares information with. 90+% of the time, this information will just benefit the patient. We don't need additional laws to prevent a doctor from doing his job that benfits 90+% of his patients and where there is no evidence of abuse.

There is nothing firm, nothing balanced, nothing durable in all the universe. Nothing remains in its original state, each day, each hour, each moment, there is change. Change is the essence of life. Embrace change as you do life. To fight change is to live in the past.
Blade Runner is offline  
post #17 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 03:05 PM
Registered User
 
BanditCPA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: .
Posts: 2,083
Location: .
Sportbike: Moto Guzzi V-11 sport
Years Riding: since 1998
How you found us: .
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade Runner View Post
Show me specifically where this has happened. I don't believe it for simple depression. I also don't believe that they can take your lawfully owned weapons based on someone else in the household. This is somewhat NRA paranoid sounding. As mentioned, the doctor still has strict HIPPA privacy constraints on who he shares information with. 90+% of the time, this information will just benefit the patient. We don't need additional laws to prevent a doctor from doing his job that benfits 90+% of his patients and where there is no evidence of abuse.
Mental health providers can and do release information to public safety officials if they truly believe their patient is a threat to himself or others (regardless of hippa laws)

Look, I can appreciate this. I was young too, I felt just like you. Hated authority, hated all my bosses, thought they were full of shit. Look, it's like they say, if you're not a rebel by the age of 20, you got no heart, but if you haven't turned establishment by 30, you've got no brains. Because there are no story-book romances, no fairy-tale endings. So before you run out and change the world, ask yourself, "What do you really want?"
BanditCPA is offline  
post #18 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 03:13 PM
Sarcasm in every post.
 
scout67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: 40mi West of the City
Posts: 4,538
Location: 40mi West of the City
Sportbike: '01 ZX-6R, '88 Katana 600
Years Riding: 20+yrs.
How you found us: Written on a YWB's ass. Next to "EMR was here"
           
For those who feel an doctor should be allowed to ask, I have a question.

Let's say a couple are in the middle of a nasty divorce. He owns arms and is severely depressed and emotional about his current situation. Doc asks during a visit, patient responds truthfully. What does the doc do then?

Notify police to confiscate (breaking HIPPA)(Edit: per Bandits reply not actually breaking Hippa)?

Prescribe large doses of drugs, that may or may not be taken by patient?

Slap a white coat on him and put him in a padded cell, for everyone's protection?

Where would the line be?

My main question:
What amount of responsibility is taken, after the info is acquired?

Ken.


My Garage.

It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

Last edited by scout67; 11-28-2012 at 03:16 PM.
scout67 is offline  
post #19 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 03:19 PM

 
PolishPete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Suburbs, IL
Posts: 2,471
Location: Suburbs, IL
Sportbike: 600rr
Years Riding: 7 years
How you found us: From friends
           
Said perfectly: less government.

Here is how it should be.

Doctos, police, anyone should be able to ask you if you own a gun. It's a free country, and as such, anyone can ask you anything.

And just the same, YOU can respond however you like, becuase it's a free country. All you have to do, is kindly say when asked: none of your business.

We have too many laws as it is. As some point, it will just be easier to say EVERYTHING is illegal, except what laws are in place that say it IS legal to do something.

Our country is becoming less and less free each day. Obamacare anyone?

Peter Katowicz
State Farm® - Agent
108 E Lake St. Unit 2
Bloomingdale, IL 60108
Office: (630) 980-9809
Fax: (630) 980-9858
[email protected]
www.PeterIsMyAgent.com

Benjamin Franklin - “It is a strange anomaly that men should be careful to insure their houses, their ships, and their merchandise, and yet neglect to insure their lives”.
PolishPete is offline  
post #20 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 03:23 PM Thread Starter
Greg
 
gsd656's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Morton Grove, Illinois
Posts: 3,677
Location: Morton Grove, Illinois
Sportbike: 2008 HD VRSCAW, 1985 Honda XR350R (Sold), 2001 SV650s (Sold), 2002 Sea-Doo GTX Di
Years Riding: I thought I was getting the hang of it...back to the basics.
How you found us: mentioned on svrider.com
           
Send a message via Yahoo to gsd656
Quote:
Originally Posted by scout67 View Post
My main question:
What amount of responsibility is taken, after the info is acquired?
This is a good point and I really do not think that any non-psychiatrist physician would ask such a question unless they had some agenda against gun ownership.

Greg

gsd656 is offline  
post #21 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 03:54 PM
Clever Girl
 
Noodles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Glendale Heights
Posts: 10,209
Location: Glendale Heights
Sportbike: 'Fightered F3
Years Riding: 3 years
How you found us: I woke up here.
           
Send a message via AIM to Noodles
Quote:
Originally Posted by scout67 View Post
For those who feel an doctor should be allowed to ask, I have a question.

Let's say a couple are in the middle of a nasty divorce. He owns arms and is severely depressed and emotional about his current situation. Doc asks during a visit, patient responds truthfully. What does the doc do then?

Notify police to confiscate (breaking HIPPA)(Edit: per Bandits reply not actually breaking Hippa)?

Prescribe large doses of drugs, that may or may not be taken by patient?

Slap a white coat on him and put him in a padded cell, for everyone's protection?

Where would the line be?

My main question:
What amount of responsibility is taken, after the info is acquired?
It's not breaking HIPPA if the care provider feels the person is

Quote:
averting a serious threat to health or safety: A covered entity may disclose protected health information if it believes: 1) the disclosure is needed to prevent or lessen a serious and imminent threat to the health or safety of a person or the public, and the recipient is able to lessen the threat; or 2) the disclosure is critical to law enforcement’s ability to identify or apprehend an individual who either appears to have escaped from the custody of law enforcement or made a statement admitting participation in a violent crime.19 A covered entity acting on such a belief is presumed to be acting in good faith. An entity covered by HIPAA may not disclose protected health information based on an individual’s admitted participation in a violent crime if the statement was made either during therapy, counseling or treatment aimed at lessening the individual’s propensity towards violence, or through a request for such therapy, counseling or treatment. The protected health information that may be disclosed under this exception is subject to the same limitations as placed on the exception made for identifying and locating a suspect.
I guess I just don't see what the big deal is with this law, or why everyone is up is so mad about it. Like Blade Runner said, it sounds like a bunch of NRA talk.

It was pursued to be blocked by the AAS (which is the American Academy of Pediatrics) for this reason:

Quote:
Because of these well-established risks, the American Academy of Pediatrics has long recommended advising parents that firearms should be removed from homes with children or, if parents choose to have guns in the home, they should be stored unloaded, locked and separate from ammunition. For homes with adolescents, AAP also has recommended that practitioners inform parents that guns in the home are particularly dangerous because of the potential for impulsive use by teens, resulting in suicide, homicide or unintentional injury.
Is that really such a bad thing?

If you don't want to let your doctor know that you have a gun, there is a very simple solution.... say you don't want to answer or just lie and say no. A doctor cannot arrest you, cannot detain you and cannot have you arrested for lying about this. He cannot hold a gun to your head and demand you answer if you have a gun.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
Noodles accepts no liability for the content of this post, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. Any views or opinions presented in this post are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Noodles.
Noodles is offline  
post #22 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 04:17 PM
Registered User
 
chibeemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,047
Location: Chicago
Sportbike: BMW R1100s
Years Riding: 13
How you found us: Rider
           
I have heard urban legends about a husband and wife getting a divorce and as he is moving out of the house and bringing his gun safe out the cops show up and give him a hard time. But that's just a vindictive situation.

I've also seen the forms my wife has to sign when the baby is born or I believe during the 1st outpatient visit the child has at the pediatrician's office like week 1 of life. Those forms do ask if there are firearms in the house. I'm not sure what is done with this information though because I've never heard any reporting to the CDC or NIH and I've never heard the Dr consul my wife about guns and kids.

Blah, Blah, Blah

Get your Portable ID!
chibeemer is offline  
post #23 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 04:38 PM
Armed law abiding citizen
 
Dave13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Middleburg, Florida
Posts: 19,055
Location: Middleburg, Florida
Sportbike: '74 Yamaha RD350
Years Riding: idk
How you found us: Google
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade Runner View Post
For the record, I do think a MD or a shrink should be able to ask. I agree with the injunction. The original law was poorly conceived. An MD's responsibilities also include the mental health of a patient. Knowing if a mentally "sick" patient has guns can have a direct effect on selection of drugs, warnings about drug interactions or other treatment.
At the same time, the MD should be notified of any kitchen knives, gardening tools for fear of harming oneself, appliances with power cords, garden hose, and shoes with laces due to the ability to hang yourself, bodies of water, toilets, sinks and buckets for the ability to drown yourself. Where does it end?
Dave13 is offline  
post #24 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 04:43 PM Thread Starter
Greg
 
gsd656's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Morton Grove, Illinois
Posts: 3,677
Location: Morton Grove, Illinois
Sportbike: 2008 HD VRSCAW, 1985 Honda XR350R (Sold), 2001 SV650s (Sold), 2002 Sea-Doo GTX Di
Years Riding: I thought I was getting the hang of it...back to the basics.
How you found us: mentioned on svrider.com
           
Send a message via Yahoo to gsd656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave13 View Post
At the same time, the MD should be notified of any kitchen knives, gardening tools for fear of harming oneself, appliances with power cords, garden hose, and shoes with laces due to the ability to hang yourself, bodies of water, toilets, sinks and buckets for the ability to drown yourself. Where does it end?
Reading comprehension is key Dave. I think we all get your point, however, the poster you are quoting is making an alternate and valid point. You also have the right to not answer or change providers.

Greg

gsd656 is offline  
post #25 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 08:55 PM
C2M
ǝɹoɯʎuɐ ʞɔnɟ ɐ sǝʌıƃ oɥʍ
 
C2M's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Crook county
Posts: 11,372
Location: Crook county
Sportbike: 636/ zzr600/ r6
Years Riding: Since 07
How you found us: bathroom stall
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by chibeemer View Post
Hippa.
you have no idea about hippa its a mask but in the end anything you say to your doctor goes in your chart which in turn is submitted to a national data base for certain eyes only i.e insurance etc etc. even my job can access the database and get whole histories on people

I was told this by a md once don't say what you don't want known.

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
C2M is offline  
post #26 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 09:02 PM
Registered User
 
chibeemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,047
Location: Chicago
Sportbike: BMW R1100s
Years Riding: 13
How you found us: Rider
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by C2M View Post
you have no idea about hippa its a mask but in the end anything you say to your doctor goes in your chart which in turn is submitted to a national data base for certain eyes only i.e insurance etc etc. even my job can access the database and get whole histories on people

I was told this by a md once don't say what you don't want known.
Hum, let me check my sources. I work in Hospital Administration and so does my wife. 2 different places. And I've worked for a health dept. The only things that were reported were federally mandated illnesses like influenza and West Nile and stuff like that. There might be some other stuff reported but it can't be linked back to an individual. So yes, they do report some things but that's summarized data not patient specific.

Blah, Blah, Blah

Get your Portable ID!
chibeemer is offline  
post #27 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 09:26 PM
Armed law abiding citizen
 
Dave13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Middleburg, Florida
Posts: 19,055
Location: Middleburg, Florida
Sportbike: '74 Yamaha RD350
Years Riding: idk
How you found us: Google
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsd656 View Post
Reading comprehension is key Dave. I think we all get your point, however, the poster you are quoting is making an alternate and valid point. You also have the right to not answer or change providers.
Sorry Greg, I was posting for sarcasm. What I was trying to get across was, does any doctor have the right to know every dangerous item in my home?
Dave13 is offline  
post #28 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 10:34 PM
C2M
ǝɹoɯʎuɐ ʞɔnɟ ɐ sǝʌıƃ oɥʍ
 
C2M's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Crook county
Posts: 11,372
Location: Crook county
Sportbike: 636/ zzr600/ r6
Years Riding: Since 07
How you found us: bathroom stall
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by chibeemer View Post
Hum, let me check my sources. I work in Hospital Administration and so does my wife. 2 different places. And I've worked for a health dept. The only things that were reported were federally mandated illnesses like influenza and West Nile and stuff like that. There might be some other stuff reported but it can't be linked back to an individual. So yes, they do report some things but that's summarized data not patient specific.
ask around cause not only did I find that out when I was a medic but it came from several MD's that don't even know each other. Sadly now a days everything is out there just need to know where to stick your hand in at. IMO hippa is BS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave13 View Post
Sorry Greg, I was posting for sarcasm. What I was trying to get across was, does any doctor have the right to know every dangerous item in my home?
Yes hey do apparently dave even that dangerous motorcycle you had in your living room

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
C2M is offline  
post #29 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-29-2012, 09:18 AM
Registered User
 
chibeemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,047
Location: Chicago
Sportbike: BMW R1100s
Years Riding: 13
How you found us: Rider
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by C2M View Post
ask around cause not only did I find that out when I was a medic but it came from several MD's that don't even know each other. Sadly now a days everything is out there just need to know where to stick your hand in at. IMO hippa is BS
I use medical records every day. I can see names and addresses, diagnosis, expenses and outcomes. But I'm not concerned with individual patients but instead whole populations. Of course Drs need to share this data. What do we think happens when you MUST go to the Drs but your PCP isn't around that particular day. His assistant helps you. That Dr also needs to look into your records.

So yes, I suppose there is a significant possibility that someone could abuse the system and look up an individual's medical history.

I suppose its the same thing with arrest reports. If you aren't involved in a specific investigation you aren't supposed to troll around in the database digging up dirt on your neighbors. But I hate to break it to you, cops do that all the time. I worked at CPD and know. The system does track login information and so they do know who was looking at who but there isn't anyone monitoring that information until something happens in the newspapers or the courts (David Koschman/Daley nephew Richard “R.J.” Vanecko case).

Blah, Blah, Blah

Get your Portable ID!
chibeemer is offline  
post #30 of 77 (permalink) Old 11-29-2012, 09:46 AM
Clever Girl
 
Noodles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Glendale Heights
Posts: 10,209
Location: Glendale Heights
Sportbike: 'Fightered F3
Years Riding: 3 years
How you found us: I woke up here.
           
Send a message via AIM to Noodles
Quote:
Originally Posted by C2M View Post
you have no idea about hippa its a mask but in the end anything you say to your doctor goes in your chart which in turn is submitted to a national data base for certain eyes only i.e insurance etc etc. even my job can access the database and get whole histories on people

I was told this by a md once don't say what you don't want known.
I don't think you understand what HIPAA is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
Noodles accepts no liability for the content of this post, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. Any views or opinions presented in this post are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Noodles.
Noodles is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Chicagoland Sportbikes forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome