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And liberals were all mad about Bush.






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Yeah but the liberal media would never say anything about it or dare speak ill of anything Obama has or will ever do. Where is Fox News on this? Why do we have to hear about this from the Microsoft network? Come on liberal media. How come this isn't being covered on TV or anything? I saw it on YouTube.

But YouTube is owned by google who is totally liberal. Now I'm confused.

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total hypocrites!
is sickening how the left gives this asshole a pass on everything! Kinda like a whore of a wife - wont even blow her husband but goes out to the bar with her g/fs, meets some punk and lets dude fuck everyhole possible hole and takes loads on face, down throat and in the can - while husband gets shit! So inessence libs are whores!

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is sickening how the left gives this asshole a pass on everything! Kinda like a whore of a wife - wont even blow her husband but goes out to the bar with her g/fs, meets some punk and lets dude fuck everyhole possible hole and takes loads on face, down throat and in the can - while husband gets shit! So inessence libs are whores!
The hypocrisy lies in Obama and his administration.

He promised to be different from the Bush administration, but essentially followed all of his predecessor's policies pertaining to war on terror.

Jon Stewart had a great ass ripping on it Wednesday night.

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The hypocrisy lies in Obama and his administration.

He promised to be different from the Bush administration, but essentially followed all of his predecessor's policies pertaining to war on terror.

Jon Stewart had a great ass ripping on it Wednesday night.
I don't know if it is hypocrisy or just stupidity on the part of his followers. They were so outraged (and still are) about W, but now they are not willing to see the BO is the same, they make excuses for him and continue to blame W.

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I don't know if it is hypocrisy or just stupidity on the part of his followers. They were so outraged (and still are) about W, but now they are not willing to see the BO is the same, they make excuses for him and continue to blame W.
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I don't know if it is hypocrisy or just stupidity on the part of his followers. They were so outraged (and still are) about W, but now they are not willing to see the BO is the same, they make excuses for him and continue to blame W.
I agree.

This is politics as usual; whoever gets elected into the office.

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It's almost like all Presidents have to make decisions with way more information than the public does.
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You're wrong about there being no difference between GWB and BHO. GWB never targeted Americans for death without proper legal due process. Even in the 2 cases where American citizens were held without civil due process they were given military process because they were taken as and declared enemy combatants. BHO wants to kill on suspicion alone. That's MUCH WORSE than anything that was done in the GWB administration.

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Does anyone really object to killing those shitbags or is this just about slamming BO?

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Does anyone really object to killing those shitbags or is this just about slamming BO?
The line between shitbag and freedom supporter is schewed, depending on which side of the line you stand.

Will these drone strikes be used against groups who cause social unrest? Nothing says they won't.

Against the occupy supporters?
Against the tyranny defenders, should it ever come to that?
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The unbridled power is what concerns me. Not just with BO, but every future president.

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Yes, I care and I care quite a bit when a POTUS and his justice department and administration decide that the Constitutional guarantees of ANY American can be ignored and they can be targeted and killed for just being suspected of crimes. No judicial reveiw, no warrant, no representation, no due process...It's a giant leap in the wrong direction for this country...how long before drones start getting used to target citizens in this country suspected of minor offenses?..............I bet they already have!
It also shows how hypocritical the left is in this country. They wanted civil trials and Constitutional rights to apply to foreign enemy combatants when Bush was President but they're going to ignore and give a pass to their guy for blatantly disregarding the rights of Americans?
Obama deserves to be slammed more than anyone else for several reasons...First, this activity is totally contrary to how he told us he would handle these things in his campaign. Apparently, all the things he said he would change about how this country was prosecuting the war on terror were lies. Second, he has continually, blatently and openly either disregarded the Constitution or tried to manipulate it to overstep his authority AND he has a lovesick biased media covering his ass on all of these crimes.
Make no mistake about it...these are crimes...impeachable offenses!

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Personally, I'm just having a hard time accepting a half black, half moslem, full socialist president. There I said it!

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Make no mistake about it...these are crimes...impeachable offenses!
You know what are impeachable offenses?

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You know what are impeachable offenses?

Starting a completely unnecessary war that killed a million civilians, left many more disabled, homeless and traumatized -- all sold to the public with a bunch of fabricated lies.
First...Just as a reminder this country and the world were ALREADY at war with Saddam Hussein! He was CONSTANTLY violating the cease fire and the provisions of it and every time Clinton wanted Monica off the front pages, he'd lob some missles at him in retalliation! It wasn't getting the job done.
Second...What you call "fabricated" evidence was manufactured by Saddam himself. He was so arrogant he thought he could scare the world off by pretending to have more weapons than he did have. That's commonly called "sabre rattling". We also know he was seeking material for nuclear weapons and technology to be able to deliver them globally (as todays news shows...one of his allies is testing such technology...should the world allow them to continue? do we have the leadership in this country that will at least attempt to stop them?)
Third : We KNOW he had weapons of mass destruction because he used them against Iran and the Kurds! Plenty of evidence of a WMD arsenal was found all over that country...(Shouldn't SOMEONE be asking where the weapons we know and have evidence he had are now? Once again a lack of leadership is not asking the really important questions!)

There were NO LIES except those perpetrated by Saddam and finally... Neither Bush nor the Americans who fought are responsible for the insurgency. I agree we didn't expect it or deal with it well at first but, it wasn't the administration or Americans that were responsible for the attrocities outsiders brought to Iraq.

But...That's history...MUCH too late to impeach anyone over it...What BHO is doing with these drones is current events and these actions need to be addressed by Congress....I wonder where we'll find leadership in that branch of our government?

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First...Just as a reminder this country and the world were ALREADY at war with Saddam Hussein! He was CONSTANTLY violating the cease fire and the provisions of it and every time Clinton wanted Monica off the front pages, he'd lob some missles at him in retalliation! It wasn't getting the job done.
Second...What you call "fabricated" evidence was manufactured by Saddam himself. He was so arrogant he thought he could scare the world off by pretending to have more weapons than he did have. That's commonly called "sabre rattling". We also know he was seeking material for nuclear weapons and technology to be able to deliver them globally (as todays news shows...one of his allies is testing such technology...should the world allow them to continue? do we have the leadership in this country that will at least attempt to stop them?)
Third : We KNOW he had weapons of mass destruction because he used them against Iran and the Kurds! Plenty of evidence of a WMD arsenal was found all over that country...(Shouldn't SOMEONE be asking where the weapons we know and have evidence he had are now? Once again a lack of leadership is not asking the really important questions!)

There were NO LIES except those perpetrated by Saddam and finally... Neither Bush nor the Americans who fought are responsible for the insurgency. I agree we didn't expect it or deal with it well at first but, it wasn't the administration or Americans that were responsible for the attrocities outsiders brought to Iraq.

But...That's history...MUCH too late to impeach anyone over it...What BHO is doing with these drones is current events and these actions need to be addressed by Congress....I wonder where we'll find leadership in that branch of our government?
Don't have time for a lengthy reply, but its not our job to police the world. And Saddam was complying with the UN. We just chose not to listen and made up lies to justify the war and into scaring the American public.

This is exactly what our founding fathers didn't want this country to become. We've become the empire we originally abhorred and fought.
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Saddam was complyng with the UN?????.................Were you living in DC Comics Bizarro world during those years?

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The line between shitbag and freedom supporter is schewed, depending on which side of the line you stand.

Will these drone strikes be used against groups who cause social unrest? Nothing says they won't.

Against the occupy supporters?
Against the tyranny defenders, should it ever come to that?
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The unbridled power is what concerns me. Not just with BO, but every future president.

This is just my opinion.
If you Google Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan you will find them clearly listed as Al Qaeda Shitbags. This is well beyond groups who cause social unrest and has moved into targeting individual(s) that are actively planning and engaged in violent attacks against US citizens. If you read Holderís comments he sites ďAn imminent threat of violent attackĒ as a criteria for capture or kill. These individuals clearly fell in that category and risking other American lives by letting them go isnít something Iím comfortable with. Being concerned about unbridled power is wise. Past, present and future presidents have and will push that limit. Fortunately, we do live in a country where there are checks and balances. We have a history of taking our elected officials to task for abuse of power although it has to be really serious before we try to do something about it other than vote them out of office. A good example is lying about getting a BJ.

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Yes, I care and I care quite a bit when a POTUS and his justice department and administration decide that the Constitutional guarantees of ANY American can be ignored and they can be targeted and killed for just being suspected of crimes. No judicial reveiw, no warrant, no representation, no due process...It's a giant leap in the wrong direction for this country...how long before drones start getting used to target citizens in this country suspected of minor offenses?..............I bet they already have!
It also shows how hypocritical the left is in this country. They wanted civil trials and Constitutional rights to apply to foreign enemy combatants when Bush was President but they're going to ignore and give a pass to their guy for blatantly disregarding the rights of Americans?
Obama deserves to be slammed more than anyone else for several reasons...First, this activity is totally contrary to how he told us he would handle these things in his campaign. Apparently, all the things he said he would change about how this country was prosecuting the war on terror were lies. Second, he has continually, blatently and openly either disregarded the Constitution or tried to manipulate it to overstep his authority AND he has a lovesick biased media covering his ass on all of these crimes.
Make no mistake about it...these are crimes...impeachable offenses!
Do you really have any doubt that Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan have moved well beyond ďbeing suspected of crimesĒ? You want these guys to get a free pass or that we should risk American Servicemenís lives to try and snatch them out of their holes so we can bring them back and prosecute them since they obviously werenít coming back on their own? As far as Iím concerned these individuals gave up their rights as Americans when the fled the country to join Al Qaeda and declare active war on us. For my $.02 if you are Al Qaeda no matter what your country of origin you should have a shoot on sight target painted on you. GWB certainly didnít have a problem with this with his targeted killing, kidnapping and torture programs which had no more constitutional justification than this. Talking about getting a pass, Bush clearly got a pass on that too. These may be gray areas, but since both had their pet attorney general and justice department come up with reasonable justification at the time impeachment is off the table.

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You know what are impeachable offenses?

Starting a completely unnecessary war that killed a million civilians, left many more disabled, homeless and traumatized -- all sold to the public with a bunch of fabricated lies.
Donít forget suppressing information that didnít support his desire to go to war and kill Saddam. Remember that his administration Turned Valerie Plame in order to suppress the lack of yellow cake. Talk about impeachmentÖ Oh yeah it wasnít a BJ so it isnít an impeachable offense. On the other hand the turning out of a CIA spy is a hanging offense, but no one wants to address that.

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It's not your book that counts...I don't have any more use for anyone who has decided to join Al Quida or any other anti American or criminal organization but that still doesn't justify targeting and killing without ANY due process. Not even a judicial revue. All that is needed is suspicion? This is a VERY dangerous precedent to allow to be set...What's to stop this or any adminstration from assasinating politcal opponants under the cover of being suspected of criminal activity? Even in the face of all the disagreements on politics we've had on CLSB, I find it incredible that you don't see the danger here!

As to your comments on Valerie Plame...Ask Scooter Libby if that situation wasn't dealt with and explain why the civil suit brought by the Wilsons (Plame and her husband) is being called unfounded and frivilous by both the Bush AND Obama justice departments!

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Re: Obama and his drones

Otb, what's your opinion on the patriot act?

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First, let me be honest and make it clear that I don't know the act as well as I should. That said, from what I do know there are some provisions of the Patriot act I think are necessary in the face of the the type of enemy that made itself known to us on 9-11. Quite frankly though, I'm surprised that it hasn't been found to be mostly unconstitutional because of the provisions that deny due process. I still believe that as time goes on the courts will protect American citizens from the parts that it should and will make rulings that will render the rest workable within the law. I still believe in the system even though it sometimes disappoints me...but, that's why we have an appeals process.


Yes.......I realize that opens a whole other discussion!

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It's not your book that counts...I don't have any more use for anyone who has decided to join Al Quida or any other anti American or criminal organization but that still doesn't justify targeting and killing without ANY due process. Not even a judicial revue. All that is needed is suspicion? This is a VERY dangerous precedent to allow to be set...What's to stop this or any adminstration from assasinating politcal opponants under the cover of being suspected of criminal activity? Even in the face of all the disagreements on politics we've had on CLSB, I find it incredible that you don't see the danger here!

As to your comments on Valerie Plame...Ask Scooter Libby if that situation wasn't dealt with and explain why the civil suit brought by the Wilsons (Plame and her husband) is being called unfounded and frivilous by both the Bush AND Obama justice departments!

Why are you Libs so selective with your info and examples and why do you leave ALL the details that hurt your position out?
Since you seem to be having trouble with this aspect, these are committed Al Qaeda terrorists by their own admission and dirtier than shit. There has been a federal warrant out for Anwar al-Awlaki since 2002. If he/they wanted their day in court, all he/they needed to do was come back. Instead they chose to turn their back on this country becoming an active enemy of the state seeking refuge, giving aid and plotting with Al Qaeda thereby giving up the additional protection a law abiding citizen enjoys. If we were formally at war with Al Qaeda this wouldn't even be an issue and they would be on a SOS Al Qaeda shitbag list long ago no matter what party or administration was in control with full constitutional blessings. I see MUCH greater danger leaving them in place to recruit and harm us. Frankly, I find it incredible that you are focusing on form over function when it comes to protecting this country and your fellow citizens vs. Al Qaeda terrorists and supporters. I find your logic quite entertaining at times.

As to your comments on Valerie Plame... Scooter Libby is a lying POS fall guy and the core issue isn't civil, it's criminal. Of the later there is no dispute. He’s a convicted felon on 5 counts on the Plame affair with two counts of perjury, two counts of making false statements to federal investigators, and one count of obstruction of justice. I wouldn’t trust him to tell me the time of day and I’m not foolish enough to think he ever told the truth. Don’t try to diminish his offences and corruptions or disparage the character of Valerie Plame who was putting her and her husband’s lives at peril staunchly protecting and serving this country. Of course, Libby got a presidential pardon (for protecting those responsible? Hmmm…) or his ass would still be rotting in jail. She lost her ability to protect and serve our country. Her and the county’s loss is greater.

IMO you are more selective with your info and examples. You modify the facts and attempt to shift focus to justify your position. Notice, I don’t bring “all conservatives ” into this. I can have solid conversations with many intelligent and successful conservatives without either of us going to extreme positions and we generally agree on most core issues. There are clearly issues we don’t agree on. I don't believe that being labeled conservative or liberal is a detriment or a cuss word. I also don't view myself irrevocably in one camp or another. For now, I’ll just try to focus on your statements.

I’ll let the other extreme right wing nut jobs speak for themselves.

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Since you seem to be having trouble with this aspect, these are committed Al Qaeda terrorists by their own admission and dirtier than shit. There has been a federal warrant out for Anwar al-Awlaki since 2002. If he/they wanted their day in court, all he/they needed to do was come back. Instead they chose to turn their back on this country becoming an active enemy of the state seeking refuge, giving aid and plotting with Al Qaeda thereby giving up the additional protection a law abiding citizen enjoys. If we were formally at war with Al Qaeda this wouldn't even be an issue and they would be on a SOS Al Qaeda shitbag list long ago no matter what party or administration was in control with full constitutional blessings. I see MUCH greater danger leaving them in place to recruit and harm us. Frankly, I find it incredible that you are focusing on form over function when it comes to protecting this country and your fellow citizens vs. Al Qaeda terrorists and supporters. I find your logic quite entertaining at times.

As to your comments on Valerie Plame... Scooter Libby is a lying POS fall guy and the core issue isn't civil, it's criminal. Of the later there is no dispute. Heís a convicted felon on 5 counts on the Plame affair with two counts of perjury, two counts of making false statements to federal investigators, and one count of obstruction of justice. I wouldnít trust him to tell me the time of day and Iím not foolish enough to think he ever told the truth. Donít try to diminish his offences and corruptions or disparage the character of Valerie Plame who was putting her and her husbandís lives at peril staunchly protecting and serving this country. Of course, Libby got a presidential pardon (for protecting those responsible? HmmmÖ) or his ass would still be rotting in jail. She lost her ability to protect and serve our country. Her and the countyís loss is greater.

IMO you are more selective with your info and examples. You modify the facts and attempt to shift focus to justify your position. Notice, I donít bring ďall conservatives Ē into this. I can have solid conversations with many intelligent and successful conservatives without either of us going to extreme positions and we generally agree on most core issues. There are clearly issues we donít agree on. I don't believe that being labeled conservative or liberal is a detriment or a cuss word. I also don't view myself irrevocably in one camp or another. For now, Iíll just try to focus on your statements.

Iíll let the other extreme right wing nut jobs speak for themselves.

GTG, so pardon me if I don't look at this site till tomorrow sometime.
BOTH sides conveniently leave out points that dont support their arguments. Libs just do it more often and leave out bigger points.

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The crimes of the accused don't matter. American citizens are guaranteed rights. Murdering them with an unmanned drone without so much as an indictment is a violation of those rights. PERIOD. PLUS I reiterate...It sets a VERY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT!If this was 6 years ago and Bush was in office you'd be screaming foul and you know you would! You're the one being "selective".
AND...Back to Valerie Plame...The simple fact is no evidence against either the President or the Vice President was found or strong enough for the justice department or the special prosecutor or CONGRESS to indict OR file articles of impeachment. I even find what was done to Scooter Libby questionable and don't begrudge him his pardon. BTW the pardon was for the incarceration only...he still had to pay the VERY SUBSTANTIAL fines.

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With all due respect. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process. Congress has given the president authorization to use lethal methods under a resolution passed a week after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that authorizes the use of all necessary force to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States. It is unfortunate that now and in the future some of those terrorists will be US citizens and we will be in a position where capture isn't practical, but the use of lethal force has specifically been given to the president by congress. If you have a problem, it is with congress. It’s worth noting that congress has not revoked that power in light of any of the targeted killings. The president is using the tools provided to him by congress. I do believe that any targeted killings, citizen or not, needs to be undertaken with extreme deliberation, care and caution, but the harsh reality is that we live in a world where it may be necessary.

I do understand your concerns about target killing a US citizen abroad, but his citizenship can’t be the only criteria for not acting. Terrorism and acts of war create special problems. One alternative to this could be to strip his citizenship before a targeted killing. There are multiple provisions that would allow the INS to do that, but would raise additional and potentially more vexing problems. There isn’t always a good alternative.

Don’t assume that you know how I will act on individual issues. I can succinctly say that I wouldn't be screaming foul over this issue if Bush or a Republican president acted in a similar manner. Can you tell me that if Bush did it you would be screaming foul? There are two core reasons for this and a number of secondary ones. First, I've been dealing with Middle East shitbag terrorists since the 70s starting with PLO shitbags. I’ve been speaking out against Al Qaeda before 9/11. Since 9/11 my views have become even more polarized. As long as they and other terrorist organizations resort to violence and raise arms against us or our allies I've consistently said kill them all and their supporters without mercy. Unfortunately, I view them as savages operating outside international “rules of war”. I really couldn’t give a rat’s ass of their country of origin. I’m a firm believer of hitting hard, fighting dirty, using all available weapons, kicking a man on the ground and not stopping till all fight is removed from an opponent or he is dead. Once I’m in an fight mode I’m rather binary in response. Secondarily, I have friends and extended family that are active or are retired military. Multiple special ops types are included that have been engaged with targeted killing for prior administrations. The crap they have gone through for this country is beyond words. I refuse to send them in harm’s way over Al Qaeda or other terrorist shitbags if we have an alternative. If we can remotely blow the shit out of bad guys I’m all for it. I've been dealing with Middle East shitbag terrorists for too long to really care about their rights.

Aside from the invasion of Iraq which at best was a strategic blunder of epic proportions, the most significant aspect of Bush’s “extrajudicial” programs that I didn’t approve of was the use of torture once we had a shitbag in captivity. I was quite concerned that the other shitbags would return the favor if they captured one of ours or use it against us from a propaganda standpoint. I’m also opposed to torture in general, but that is another subject.

You’ve got me on Bush’s direct involvement with Plame. Despite all the smoking guns we can’t prove Dick’s or George’s direct involvement and that’s why Libby went to jail. I’m glad that you know more than a Federal Grand Jury who invested thousands of hours trying to get to the bottom of this. IMO if they got the wrong guy, the obvious reason is he was covering for someone more important. The multiple counts pretty much clearly states that he is a lying POS.

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I don't have time for an extended response but I will respond with more detail at a later time. Your response interests me because I think we agree with each other on the targeting issue more than either of us realized up 'til now. On some of the subject matter we've been discussing we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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I'm in the same boat. One big response a day is about my limit and I've got to bolt to pick up my daughter.

I've very OK with agreeing to disagree. It happens all the time.

I ass-u-me too much too. That's why I try not to flame too much.

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i can have solid conversations with many intelligent and successful conservatives without either of us going to extreme positions and we generally agree on most core issues. .
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You know what are impeachable offenses?

Starting a completely unnecessary war that killed a million civilians, left many more disabled, homeless and traumatized -- all sold to the public with a bunch of fabricated lies.


ROFL


Always funny when conspiracy theorists spread misinformation because they watched some brainwashing propaganda video on youtube.



Million civilians dead. ROFL


"homeless"
Oh noze they got their dirt home destroyed, now they are homeless.




"all sold to the public with a bunch of fabricated lies"
Yup, everyone was sold a lie, then we voted to go to war with Iraq. oh wait, the government didn't ask for our opinion. You get that from another conspiracy theorist video too. Is that how the US government works?
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