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post #271 of 294 (permalink) Old 11-10-2008, 08:59 PM
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Whether or not the state recognizes that commitment shouldn't matter.
How does it not matter? Civil unions aren't the same as marriage in the eyes of the federal government. Things like Social Security benefits, veterans' benefits, health insurance, Medicaid, hospital visitation, estate taxes, retirement savings, pensions, family leave, and immigration law are all affected by this decision.
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To tell you the truth, I think the laws should be changed to get rid of the "no-fault" divorce nonsense! When I hear a husband and wife say that they are divorcing but they can remain on good terms, I have to ask why they can't work out the problem; after all, if the problem were THAT bad that they could not be worked out, they wouldn't remain friends. And it is sad when a kid has to schedule his life around the question of "who has custody of me this weekend?" unnecssarily.
Unnecessarily? The adults in question have decided to part without dragging the family through a court hearing where someone must be "at fault", battle over the marital assets and custody, potentially damaging the relationships of the entire extended family. The state (aka the people) has decided that families figuring this out for themselves without lawyers getting a substantial portion of the assets is a better solution.

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How does it not matter? Civil unions aren't the same as marriage in the eyes of the federal government. Things like Social Security benefits, veterans' benefits, health insurance, Medicaid, hospital visitation, estate taxes, retirement savings, pensions, family leave, and immigration law are all affected by this decision.
No argument on some of those points, but on others you're dead wrong. Fed law doesn't control hospital visitation, pensions, retirement saving or health insurance. Those are all controlled by state law or private agreement. Retirement savings can be left to whomever the descendant wishes, hospital visitation and decision making has already been addressed, health insurance covered by CA state civil union law.

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IA California domestic partnership is a legal relationship available to same-sex couples, and to certain opposite-sex couples in which at least one party is at least 62 years of age. It affords the couple virtually all of the same substantive legal benefits and privileges, and imposes upon the couple all of the same legal obligations and duties, that California law affords to and imposes upon a married couple.
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SEC. 4. Section 297.5 is added to the Family Code, to read:
297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same
rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
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of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.
Care to revise you're argument? And perhaps, cite something, instead of making incorrect statements of law? Maybe if you make the effort to back up what you assert, you'll learn something.

AS to the Fed law stuff, yes, it sucks for them. (more evidence that the Fed Gov't big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away) But it isn't anywhere near what african-americans suffered under segregation and jim crow. Maybe that's why blacks, particularly older ones, were so resoundingly against Prop 8. They heard the histrionics, and probably were insulted by the comparison.

Overstating the case: it destroys credibility.

Next up, even if Prop 8 passed, it wouldn't change any of the Fed law stuff because the Defense of Marriage Act, signed into law in '96 by Clinton, prevents it.


Prop 8 was pretty much symbolic, despite all the histrionics. Civil Unions already afforded most of the rights under state law, and Prop 8 wouldn't have changed anything under Fed law.

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No argument on some of those points, but on others you're dead wrong. Fed law doesn't control hospital visitation, pensions, retirement saving or health insurance. Those are all controlled by state law or private agreement. Retirement savings can be left to whomever the descendant wishes, hospital visitation and decision making has already been addressed, health insurance covered by CA state civil union law.

As to state law (at least in Cali)




Care to revise you're argument? And perhaps, cite something, instead of making incorrect statements of law? Maybe if you make the effort to back up what you assert, you'll learn something.

AS to the Fed law stuff, yes, it sucks for them. (more evidence that the Fed Gov't big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away) But it isn't anywhere near what african-americans suffered under segregation and jim crow. Maybe that's why blacks, particularly older ones, were so resoundingly against Prop 8. They heard the histrionics, and probably were insulted by the comparison.

Overstating the case: it destroys credibility.

Next up, even if Prop 8 passed, it wouldn't change any of the Fed law stuff because the Defense of Marriage Act, signed into law in '96 by Clinton, prevents it.


Prop 8 was pretty much symbolic, despite all the histrionics. Civil Unions already afforded most of the rights under state law, and Prop 8 wouldn't have changed anything under Fed law.
Exactly right; in California civil unions receive all the same state given benefits and responsibilities as married couples.

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Exactly right; in California civil unions receive all the same state given benefits and responsibilities as married couples.
And God help you if you cross a state line, because they are the same ONLY while you are within California. Yep, it's just the same as marriage.

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Exactly right; in California civil unions receive all the same state given benefits and responsibilities as married couples.
...and what rights do they have when they move to another state?

The same?

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And God help you if you cross a state line, because they are the same ONLY while you are within California. Yep, it's just the same as marriage.
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actually.. I like Olberman more than Hannity... His level of hatred just gets me all riled up.. He should be a football coach
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...HARTFORD, Conn. -- Wedding bells rang over the heads of same-sex couples for the first time in Connecticut's history Wednesday.....


Less than two hours after a court ruling became official, Connecticut's first same-sex wedding took place in New Haven.


Having their names scribed in the state's history books are Peg Oliveira and Jennifer Vickery, of New Haven, who wed near a farmer's market next to New Haven City Hall. The couple said their vows and exchanged rings beneath the flashing of camera bulbs amid a crowd eager to witness the historic event.

"We are just so excited that it happened," said Oliveira. "We said, OK, let's go do it."

Corrine Blackmer and her partner, Pilar Steward, are planning for their wedding in May.

"We had a civil union, and now we can get married it's incredibly moving," Steward said. "Our wedding is going to be a Jewish wedding. We're inviting over 300 people to our wedding."br/>
Barbara Levine-Ritterman and her partner, Robin, were the first in line, filling out the brand-new marriage license application that allows same-sex marriages.

"I feel like my love for Robin is between us, and I have no need to change anybody else’s beliefs," Levine-Ritterman said.

Wednesday morning Judge Jonathan Silbert entered the final judgment, allowing for same-sex couples to marry in Connecticut. The ruling makes any law that prohibits marriage between same-sex couples illegal in the state.


State Rep. Beth Bye and her partner Tracy Wilson told Eyewitness News Tuesday night that they were hoping to be the first to turn their civil union into a legal marriage.

Wilson, a high school teacher and town historian, said she and Bye have been together for more than six years.

"We are very happy to join the world of the married -- the word has meaning, and it has meaning to us," she said. "We feel so lucky to be in Connecticut right now."

Only Connecticut and Massachusetts have legalized gay marriage. The unions were legal in California until last week when voters passed an amendment banning same-sex marriage. A few other states in the country have followed suit. Connecticut voters rejected a ballot question last week proposing a constitutional convention to amend the state's constitution, dealing a major blow to opponents of same-sex marriage.

State Rep. and co-chairman of the Connecticut General Assembly's Judiciary Committee, Mike Lawlor, lectured at the University of New Haven Tuesday night on the subject. He said it's obvious when he speaks about the issue in front of a classroom that people's attitudes are changing.

"I think that speaks a lot about us as a state -- we are open-minded. We embrace and show happy couples should have advantages. Now gay people will share what straight people have enjoyed for many, many years," he said.

The health department had new marriage applications printed that reflect the change. Instead of putting one name under "bride" and the other under "groom," couples will see two boxes marked "bride/groom/spouse."

Joseph Camposeo, Manchester's town clerk and president of the Connecticut Town Clerks Association, said they were notified by e-mail shortly after 9:30 a.m. to start issuing the licenses.

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled 4-3 in favor of allowing gay marriage in an Oct. 10 decision spurred by a lawsuit filed by eight couples challenged a state law prohibiting gay marriages. Several of the suit's plaintiffs wept openly as Silbert made his ruling Wednesday.

According to studies performed out of UCLA, there are more than 9,500 same-sex couples in Connecticut.

The study said that if Connecticut follows a similar pattern to Massachusetts, about 3,000 same-sex couples will marry in the next year and 4,700 will likely wed after three years.

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Transcripts and audio from today's Supreme Court session.

Transcript: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...ts/12-144a.pdf

Audio: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...rgument=12-144

It will be interesting to see what they rule.

My first impression is that they will let the California Supreme Court decision to void Prop 8 stand, but not declare a that equal marriage is a right under the 14th Amendment and thus impose equal marriage on all 50 states. But we'll have to wait and see what comes out of the Court.

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Well, with today's US Supreme Court decision, this has played out pretty much as I expected from back in 2008.

Happy Pride everyone.

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i wonder if they will USE this gift the way straight America has and respect the institution of divorce, too.

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Oh yea, the divorce lawyers are already making bank.

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The right wing finally got what it wanted, less gay sex! Once all these gays get married the amount of gay sex will go down dramatically. That's how marriage works.

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