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Californians ban Gay marriage

I thought this was very interesting, For all of the Obamatons.

What happened in California? it looks like THE People Voted against Gay Marriage How could that be? California is one of the most liberal states and most Pro Obama in the country, All of those democrats that are such great supporters of Barack Obama and his vision of unity in this country, Tolerance, love for one another how could this happen? I guess this is the NEW ERA, Gays cant get married. So much for Unity,love,tolerance and diversity. I bet the gay and lesbian population out there never thought they would get ass fucked by their own liberal friends out there. It looks like they are pretty pissed off.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,447744,00.html

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despite the vote - law suits have already been filed against this.. etc etc etc
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I thought marriage was part of the institution known as a "church" and the "church" follows a guideline book called the "bible" which states we should hate homos. If you are hated by a church, why would you want to use their form of unity? Probably for tax and legal reasons.
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I thought marriage was part of the institution known as a "church" and the "church" follows a guideline book called the "bible" which states we should hate homos. If you are hated by a church, why would you want to use their form of unity? Probably for tax and legal reasons.
fair enough, but we have freedom of religion, meaning we are free to express what ever religious rights we choose providing it does not harm our fellow americans. I fail to see where two people who love each other should not be allowed to announce there love in much the same way I did to my wife. As such, they should be given the same rights and tax breaks that I am given. I have no problem with gay marriage, and I think it's near sighted and prejudice of the people that do.

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fair enough, but we have freedom of religion, meaning we are free to express what ever religious rights we choose providing it does not harm our fellow americans. I fail to see where two people who love each other should not be allowed to announce there love in much the same way I did to my wife. As such, they should be given the same rights and tax breaks that I am given. I have no problem with gay marriage, and I think it's near sighted and prejudice of the people that do.
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I thought marriage was part of the institution known as a "church" and the "church" follows a guideline book called the "bible" which states we should hate homos. If you are hated by a church, why would you want to use their form of unity? Probably for tax and legal reasons.
I guess they have their own version of the bible, I personally dont care who marrys who, i just find it interesting that they got sold out by their own fellow liberals, it appears that the african american community really had a problem with it. voting 70% against it.

So much for unity and diversity - I bet the gays are pretty pissed right now

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNH413UTUS.DTL

It also trumped racial identification. While Obama publicly backed the "No on Prop. 8" effort, African American voters had no trouble voting overwhelmingly for the man who will be the nation's first black president and then voting 70 percent in favor of Prop. 8, exit polls showed.
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fair enough, but we have freedom of religion, meaning we are free to express what ever religious rights we choose providing it does not harm our fellow americans. I fail to see where two people who love each other should not be allowed to announce there love in much the same way I did to my wife. As such, they should be given the same rights and tax breaks that I am given. I have no problem with gay marriage, and I think it's near sighted and prejudice of the people that do.
That's the problem with separation of the Church and the State....

Freedom of religion and Marriage by law... What a fucked up situation. I'm done thinking about it as my head hurts trying to figure out how to help the homos.

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So they legalized it last month and are banning it this month now?

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Freedom of religion and Marriage by law... What a fucked up situation. I'm done thinking about it as my head hurts trying to figure out how to help the homos.

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I thought this was very interesting, For all of the Obamatons.

What happened in California? it looks like THE People Voted against Gay Marriage How could that be? California is one of the most liberal states and most Pro Obama in the country, All of those democrats that are such great supporters of Barack Obama and his vision of unity in this country, Tolerance, love for one another how could this happen? I guess this is the NEW ERA, Gays cant get married. So much for Unity,love,tolerance and diversity. I bet the gay and lesbian population out there never thought they would get ass fucked by their own liberal friends out there. It looks like they are pretty pissed off.

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Does carrying that chip around on your shoulder ever get heavy?

Never, im so used to carrying all of that 300Lbs of " White guilt"

actuall with this one i find it funny, all of the gay and lesbians out there probably thought they had it in the bag with all of their support for Obama, they might have thought the minority community - african american community might have backed them up on this one and they got ASS Fucked - no pun intended. Pretty funny shit as far as im concerned. Ya just never know who will stick a knife in your back. It just proves to me that people are full of shit especially with this Obama rhetoric of unity and shit, they are all full of shit. Its a fuckin farce and with that kind of unity demonstated out in california, if Obamas counting on americans to unite, good luck. Obama will never get anything done its real sad.
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The no on 8 folks messed it up. Again.

There are actually two kinds of Marriage - Religious Marriage and Civil Marriage. This is a point that pro same-sex marriage campaigns always fail to articulate.

Religious Marriage is controlled by the Church (actually any religion). And no one was trying to mess with that. That is covered by the 1st Amendment in the US Constitution. Religious marriage carries no state recognition, no state rights, responsibilities, or privileges. It is a commitment a couple makes before God and man.

Civil Marriage is the state's recognition of that religious marriage. This is the process of acquiring a marriage license and having it executed as proscribed under law. The state's recognition of marriage gives couples rights under law in many areas, including property, death, taxes, inheritance, and benefits in many other areas. In addition, there are literally thousands of state and federal laws that reference "marriage" and not "civil unions", not to mention things like insurance policies and other generally common (and generally non-negotiable for an individual [- think about your cell phone and credit card contracts]) private contracts which contain standard wording regarding "marriage".

In addition to state Civil Marriage (marriage license properly executed), California has Civil Unions under law for same-sex and opposite-sex couples. However the state's grant of recognition and the rights and privileges that come with Civil Unions are unequal to those granted couples who have an executed marriage license (civil marriage).

It is the unequal recognition of those rights between state recognition of "marriage" and its recognition of "civil unions" that was the subject of the California Supreme Court ruling. The court said that under other provisions of the California Constitution, you can not discriminate against same-sex couples in granting rights and privileges when compared to opposite-sex couples.

Prop 8 sought to legalize this discrimination in the states' treatment of it's citizens. It had absolutely nothing to do with and would not have affected what any church, synagogue, mosque, or any other religious institution did in regards to religious marriage.

Because people have a hard time seeing the distinction between religious marriage and it's civil counterpart, many interpreted this court decision as an attack on their religious beliefs. And they reacted as expected.

The court challenges filed yesterday challenge the constitutionality of passing an amendment to the California Constitution that is at odds with another section of the same document, without also modifying that other section, which concerns guaranteeing equal rights for all California citizens.

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Personally, I think that the entire government at all levels should not recognize religious marriages. Rather, any couple should have to register a civil union with the government to get state recognition of their relationship and commitment to support each other. This state recognition should not be tied to religious marriage. The state should have no interest in, nor should it recognize, religious marriage. I believe that all the laws that recognize religious marriage are in violation of the separation of church and state.

This battle will rage on for many more years. In the end, a greater understanding of equality will prevail.

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Ya just never know who will stick a knife in your back.
Gays, like every other minority, are quite used to getting F-'d over and stabbed in the back.

And every time it happens, it strengthens the resolve to fight back. That's why these issues never go away until they are resolved in the direction of more equal treatment of all.

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Never, im so used to carrying all of that 300Lbs of " White guilt"

actuall with this one i find it funny, all of the gay and lesbians out there probably thought they had it in the bag with all of their support for Obama, they might have thought the minority community - african american community might have backed them up on this one and they got ASS Fucked - no pun intended. Pretty funny shit as far as im concerned. Ya just never know who will stick a knife in your back. It just proves to me that people are full of shit especially with this Obama rhetoric of unity and shit, they are all full of shit. Its a fuckin farce and with that kind of unity demonstated out in california, if Obamas counting on americans to unite, good luck. Obama will never get anything done its real sad.
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I thought marriage was part of the institution known as a "church" and the "church" follows a guideline book called the "bible" which states we should hate homos. If you are hated by a church, why would you want to use their form of unity? Probably for tax and legal reasons.
Not true, according to Jesus (a polular Biblical figure) we are to love everyone. We all sin, that is just another form of sin.

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The reason that believers in these teachings do not follow them (and actually often do the opposite) is that humans have a fascinating ability to justify their actions in a string of cognitive illogic. Thus, we are all capable of holding one ideal very high, yet not following it at all. We are capable of holding two completely conflicting views simultaneously.

The truth is that believers have been looking for all the exceptions to "love thy neighbor" and "judge not lest ye be judged" since the words were uttered/written in a spectacular effort to prevent changing themselves and their world-view, and to change the focus from improving themselves to fixing others to conform to their world-view. Christians seek out scriptures in the Bible to justify their exceptions to these teachings.

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Yes.. such words of unity.
You cant put me in that category, I would have voted it in. i dont care what grown adults do, apparently, those people in cali are the ones that have the problem. So dont try to label me. I guess in the new era you cant laugh at something either or find it amusing. Otherwise youre a hater. Liberals ya gotta lovem. I guess when ever you speak the truth in the NEW ERA youre called Divisive.
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You cant put me in that category, I would have voted it in. i dont care what grown adults do, apparently, those people in cali are the ones that have the problem. So dont try to label me. I guess in the new era you cant laugh at something either or find it amusing. Otherwise youre a hater. Liberals ya gotta lovem. I guess when ever you speak the truth in the NEW ERA youre called Divisive.
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Maybe i dont give a shit, Thats the problem with most libs they dont know how to reach across the table. Unless youre of thier thinking youre a jag. Then again all of them follow the New Messiahs lead as we all know how he actually reached across the table to work with repubs and put out his hand. NOT!
The old saying when it comes to raising kids " They do as you do" well all the Obamatons are following the lead pretty well.
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Maybe i dont give a shit, Thats the problem with most libs they dont know how to reach across the table. Unless youre of thier thinking youre a jag. Then again all of them follow the New Messiahs lead as we all know how he actually reached across the table to work with repubs and put out his hand. NOT!
The old saying when it comes to raising kids " They do as you do" well all the Obamatons are following the lead pretty well.
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It's rather obvious by your posts the past two days that you don't give a shit and are angered by the election results.
Dissapointed is the word youre looking for, Im just thinking about the millions more of Late term abortions that are going to happen due to barack the Butcher getting in. I do have a conscience, unlike some people on this board.

With One stroke of his pen a few more million maybe. How crushed skulls and sucked out brains sound to you? If you voted for him just know that you are partly responsible for the horrible deaths of innocent babies. millions of them. But it probably doesnt bother you, you dont have to see it. And those gays who cares about them right. Obviously they are not citizens and have no civil rights. Its amazing how they are being treated as second class citizens like the blacks were in the 60s, man weve come a long way. Thank god for Unity though.
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