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Buying new racebike..

I'm doing this thing, buying a 250 to race in ULThunderbike in CCS and possibly other sanctioning orgs. Any thoughts on the Honda vs. the Kawi? I'm really leaning towards the Honda just because I've never been much of a Kawi guy. It looks like the Honda will be easier to maintain, too, for what it's worth.

There are a lot of us at the track talking about this... 1, maybe 2 sets of tires a season, cheap entry, spec class racing=cheaper too, although the rules do currently allow mods - we're going to try to get this changed this winter. The last thing we need is another builder's class.

Ok, please discuss. I'm hot to trot, looking to get started ASAP!!

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Well there is a big problem right off the bat: not a duc.

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Dude, don't fret. Gonna build a cheater/supermono hybrid.

Honda is still a gentleman's motobike. And I'm still racing/keeping all current Ducs. Better?

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not a big kawi fan but hasn't it been out longer and have a longer history and more support?

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Burning up the web right now trying to find out.

I'm looking at new bikes, they're so damn cheap, what's the diff I figure. Honda is better on the street, fwiw. Easier to maintain, aftermarket is more limited thus more $$.

I'm hoping we can eventually get a bunch of guys to do this. No cheaper way to race. Bruce Barry was running 1:27's at BHF this weekend on his old Kawi; sounds like a blast to me.. 1:20 possible on a 23 hp bike? Something to shoot for...

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I think v2neal on here is actively racing a Kawi250 up in Wisconsin. Had some threads about it a while back that I'm far too important / lazy to search for right now.

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I donno, I had a kawi 250 back in the day, not something I'd have much interest in racing, they're turds in almost every way.

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I donno, I had a kawi 250 back in the day, not something I'd have much interest in racing, they're turds in almost every way.
Another buddy of mine said that Bruce came around him on the outside in the carousel like he was standing still. My friend was out for the first time this year, on a brand new (to him) very trick SV built by Guy Bartz. Mike was running :20 flat, is capable of 16's on a 80 hp LW bike, and is an excellent rider.


The outside of the carousel. Like he was standing still. Sounds like fun to me.

Also, you'd be racing against comparable bikes. Ever raced the indoor cart tracks around here? Not very high-spec machines, a blast nonetheless. Just saying.

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Another buddy of mine said that Bruce came around him on the outside in the carousel like he was standing still. My friend was out for the first time this year, on a brand new (to him) very trick SV built by Guy Bartz. Mike was running :20 flat, is capable of 16's on a 80 hp LW bike, and is an excellent rider.


The outside of the carousel. Like he was standing still. Sounds like fun to me.

Also, you'd be racing against comparable bikes. Ever raced the indoor cart tracks around here? Not very high-spec machines, a blast nonetheless. Just saying.
I hear ya, but I'd see about a test ride before you purchase, in stock form they're pretty terrible

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1 1/2 hours of exhaustive research is pointing to the Kawi. More racing options with many orgs is a big factor..

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Our racing org up here in MN (www.cra-mn.com) started a spec class for the Ninja 250's. It's been an awesome class to run in and has been growing a little each year. Throw in some sweet contingency money and it's almost free racing.
Reading on WERA it sounded like there was one or two guys running the CBR's and winning, but it also sounded like that was on tighter/shorter tracks.
So maybe at BHF Ninja v.s. CBR it'd come down more to rider, but AutoBahn or RA would come down to HP. HP and speed advantage: Ninja.
As far as maintenance ... what maint? I set the valves and cleaned the carbs on mine at the begining of the season then just did oil changes after every weekend.
Our rules are as follows; The basic rules for SuperSport, plus...
1.US Market Ninja's only. This rules out anyone sneaking in a fuel injected canadian bike.
2. Engine, trans and airbox must remain unaltered. *I have a small beef with this one. I think removal of the snorkle should be permitted.
3. Carbs can have needles and jets changed.
4. OEM style windscreens. Aftermarket is OK but no double bubble.
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Only on things that I find interesting. (So most of the stuff on the board is safe)

Reading your thread about it awhile back made me seriously consider it. Then I remembered that it's racing and I'm dangerously slow (even on fast bikes) so that probably would be nearly as terrifying as regular racing.

Cool stuff though - I really did the concept.

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Our racing org up here in MN (www.cra-mn.com) started a spec class for the Ninja 250's. It's been an awesome class to run in and has been growing a little each year. Throw in some sweet contingency money and it's almost free racing.
Reading on WERA it sounded like there was one or two guys running the CBR's and winning, but it also sounded like that was on tighter/shorter tracks.
So maybe at BHF Ninja v.s. CBR it'd come down more to rider, but AutoBahn or RA would come down to HP. HP and speed advantage: Ninja.
As far as maintenance ... what maint? I set the valves and cleaned the carbs on mine at the begining of the season then just did oil changes after every weekend.
Our rules are as follows; The basic rules for SuperSport, plus...
1.US Market Ninja's only. This rules out anyone sneaking in a fuel injected canadian bike.
2. Engine, trans and airbox must remain unaltered. *I have a small beef with this one. I think removal of the snorkle should be permitted.
3. Carbs can have needles and jets changed.
4. OEM style windscreens. Aftermarket is OK but no double bubble.
5. Kickstand mounting tab on 2008 and newer MUST be removed.
6. US Market ECU must be used.
7. Standard pump gas, no race fuels.


Good Luck, these bikes are a ton of fun!
Awesome. Thanks for replying. Read all through your rulebook this aft, like I said, exhaustive research. Leaning towards the Kawi for sure, but still like the Honda, probably for the same reason I like Ducs. I love the idea of racing a single - I'm a torque guy. I'm sure the extra 1.8 ft/lbs on the Honda will be a huge advantage We'll see. I was thinking new but I may do different.. Keep ya posted.

Anyone considering racing should think about this..

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Well, I went in on a couple of '09 Ninjas with a fellow racer. I'm not sure when I'm going to get them, but I'll keep the topic updated as things develop.

Happy 4th everyone. Keep it safe and sane!

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Got back from baton Rouge with 2 '09 Ninjas at 8:30 this morning. Left Friday night, stayed over on Saturday night - partied our asses off - and picked up the bikes Sunday morning.

Both bikes are race prepped with bodywork, Woodcraft clipons/rearsets, fork springs/Elke shocks, M4 exhaust, etc. It appears they are WERA legal, and so are obviously ready for CCS as well. Got a ton of spares with them too.

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