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Old 02-19-2013, 06:35 PM Thread Starter
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2012 Monster 696 DEAD!

So I get yank the battery tender off my M696 and hook it up to the S2000. I put the key in the ignition and there is no sign of life. Plug the tender back in and it says "Charged".

Turn the key to the on position and I hear "Click Click Click Click Click"

Display starts cycling

0005 R. SW a.k.a My battery is owned.

I was told by a friend that Ducati uses a european gel type battery and they don't play well with traditional 2 Amp Tenders.

I have the free tow service, what really grinds my gears is that my Ninja 250 worked no problem, my Yamaha 125 Vino no problem. 7 years of ownership no problem. I've had this bike since June so,...8 months give or take and its taken a shit on me.


Those former bikes getting to the battery is easy peezy just a couple screws and presto your golden. On the Duc it requires some 18 allen bolts to be removed along with lifting the tank, yadda yadda yadda. I've torn apart my Buick motor and put it back together, this is not the issue.

I don't know if I should blame myself for being uneducated on these sorts of batteries. My friend also says it's very possible that the battery is just a rotten one. I also noticed on cold days it could take me 5 or more minutes just to start it up. I'm wondering if those issues were linked to the battery going downhill.

It's just wild to think about. I won't bash my bike because it's the most fun I've ever had with my clothes on. I don't fell that I should have to work on an expensive bike under warranty either. Dealer said bring it in and they will address the issue w/o any grief.


I guess this is the "Bonjourno Italiana Exotica" I get! LOL!

Even worse I don't get full coverage insurance until April 1st due to the excessively hot winter months here in Chicago. LOL

I miss riding so much. My Buick and Subaru (winter cars) don't do a damn thing as far as the riding excitement goes.
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A warranty is only good certain months? What about the manufacture warranty?
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:56 PM Thread Starter
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I have 2 year unlimited mileage. I'm definitely covered. I'm on comprehensive insurance on my toys till that old bitch winter passes.
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Your battery is probably fine, but a connection could be bad.

If you were charging your battery all winter, that could also be part of the problem. 2 Amps is a lot of current for a little battery, too. Most MC tenders are 1 amp or less. Try charging it with a slower charger. If that doesn't work, run it dead (by leaving your lights on for a while), and then charge it again. Cycling the battery like that could repair damage caused by overcharging.

I still have the original battery in my 1098, and just leave it on the bench in the garage, with a boost charge every two months. No issues at all.

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I have 2 year unlimited mileage. I'm definitely covered. I'm on comprehensive insurance on my toys till that old bitch winter passes.
So call them and tell them to pick it up. MCC always took care of me like that.
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Your battery is probably fine, but a connection could be bad.

If you were charging your battery all winter, that could also be part of the problem. 2 Amps is a lot of current for a little battery, too. Most MC tenders are 1 amp or less. Try charging it with a slower charger. If that doesn't work, run it dead (by leaving your lights on for a while), and then charge it again. Cycling the battery like that could repair damage caused by overcharging.

I still have the original battery in my 1098, and just leave it on the bench in the garage, with a boost charge every two months. No issues at all.


I was thinking the same thing. My other buddy has a genius battery charger he uses on his quad and says he will try and drop it off this weekend. I think the connection is fine. I also noticed I should have mentioned this but in November I had the battery setting at 12 Volts someone slide the bar over to the 6 Volt setting. My brother-in-law uses the garage sometimes, and we are not on the best terms. Her brother also will sometimes go in the garage. I live very close to the in-laws... which is one of the reasons I purchased this new house that I am renovating. I know 150% that I had it set at 12 Volts not 6 Volts. I told my wife about this but it's like, how can I blame him when I can prove it. Just more BS I have to deal with for the last bit that I have to deal with it for.
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I'd pull the battery and have it checked at autozone. If its dead, go get the battery warrantied wherever you bought it

Almost guaranteed its a battery, almost...
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I'd almost say that punching him in the head would cause brain damage, but his brain is already mush.


Does 6 Volt setting do anything to the battery? I'd figure it would undercharge it and hold it at the 6 Volt setting. I can't prove anything and I don't want to start a family feud. 3 more months and reconstruction should be good enough for us to move in. Bottom line is I NEED to be out the house by May 1st. Our house is getting rented out contacts have been signed.

I had to buy a tool box with a lock on it. Then I had to buy all the tools that ended up either "Missing" or in his tool box. I was not a happy camper. Best part was

"hey mike that craftsman tool box is junk, you should have bought a matco like mine"

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"Mike can I Burrow some sockets?"

Go scratch my tool box is junk! LOL

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I'm no electrician, but if the charger was at 6V, I believe that means it was charging at twice the rated current, which probably did as much damage to your charger as the battery. That's my lay-persons interpretation of Ohm's law... That also means your battery was overcharged.

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Is the kill switch on ?
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Kill switch shouldn't affect the power on the display though, I check when I get home in a couple hours. Face palm.
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Kill switch shouldn't affect the power on the display though, I check when I get home in a couple hours. Face palm.
I cant remember for sure , but think that my dash lights up with the switch off ? Also check the battery cable connections to make sure they are tight . Also , MCC has the new Hyper in stock .
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Before you buy a new battery maybe a volt meter could offer some insight.

check volts at the battery then volts at the starter terminal.

If you get a big drop in volts when hitting the button,bang on the starter with something.Next WD 40 the starter button and kill switch.

although twins need a little more battery kick to turn over the longer stroke motor, if you have 12+ volts at the battery you should be turning over .

Try putting the bike in gear and rolling it backwards then try to start it.

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One more thing after sitting all winter a cyl. maybe full of fuel.
rolling it backwards or removing the plugs will let it spit the fuel out.

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My bike has a built in volt meter but I can access it because the dash just lights up like Christmas.
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Even if you could access it, how would you chck the voltage at the battery and starter like resurrection mentioned?

They're usually pretty cheap, under $10-15 for simple stuff

You do have plenty of time until April, doesn't hurt to get a little more familiar with the bike even if it is under warranty
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Even though this situation is unfortunate for me, it feels really good to be talking about motorcycles. I don't have a voltometer but I'll see if I can hunt one down. Right now the only access I have to the battery is the tenter adapter, I'd image perhaps if I poked the prongs into the metal spots where the tender lead is coming out I could get a reading.

Stan has me wondering about this damn "kill switch" I never use it either, I doubt it is the issue as the code did get thrown for the low voltage and the security light on the dash wouldn't blink. I am about 98% positive the kill switch has nothing to do with it, however I will go home and check it out. Should be home in about 30 minutes. Sometimes issues can be fixed with the simplest solution. Fingers crossed...

I'll keep you folk posted on whatever the outcome may be.

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If your getting a Click -click it's my guess the button and everything through to the starter selionod are working.

I've known many a V twin to stop the starter cold while on the first compression stroke of the starting procedure.

Put the bike in 3rd gear and roll the motor backwards this will unload the compression and allow the starter to spin if you have at least 12v.

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Played with the key on off on off on off, toggled the kill switch which was currently in the "run" position.

Battery has no juice at all. There is NOTHING. No sign of life. Only time I get any sort of information is with the tender plugged in. I cannot toggle through my modes which as I stated had one that read the battery volts. Really unfortunate. I would bet a dollar to a donut that it's the battery 100%.

Whatever or whoever put it to the 6v setting must have damaged it real bad. I'm going to let the dealer handle this. I can rip apart the whole top of the bike to get to the battery but

A. it's too cold
B. I shouldn't have to with it under warranty


I Need to have this bike up and running at least 1 week before April first. I will call my insurance and tell them I need 1 day of coverage if the dealer wont hold the bike for a few days. I think they would, but if that's what I need to do, then I'll do it. Really bummed out right now. Shouldn't be that concerned due to the fact it's still in storage but if I find out someone tampered with my bike I'm calling 911 for clean up.
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its a battery get it fixed and move on

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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Whatever or whoever put it to the 6v setting must have damaged it real bad. I'm going to let the dealer handle this. I can rip apart the whole top of the bike to get to the battery but

If it was in 6v, it would never charge the battery. If this was an acid type battery, being that low in voltage would kill the battery, once the battery got to 6volts after sitting.
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Volt meters can be found at harbor freight for $5.

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its a battery get it fixed and move on
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One more thing after sitting all winter a cyl. maybe full of fuel.
rolling it backwards or removing the plugs will let it spit the fuel out.
thats for carbs, this thing should be FI
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Truth is that's caused by a bad petcock.again carbs.

The many pieces of free advice can be used in many ways.the condition I proposed does happen take it for what it's worth.

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omg measure the voltage. holy shit

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warranty is for manufacturer defects.

my battery died over the winter is not a manufacturer defect.

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omg measure the voltage. holy shit
I don't see the sense in measuring the voltage, I KNOW it's dead.

If there was any sort of voltage even the slightest bit the security lights would blink. Furthermore the code got thrown for a dead battery. The connection is fine, because when I install the charger it says fully charged. I will have my friend bring his multimeter just to settle down the crowd LOL.

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, walks like a duck its a duck. The battery is dead I can absolutely bet on it.


If there was a loose ground connection the bike wouldn't have any power at all when I install the tender, but it does. I'm not a mechanic but I know when something isn't right. The dealership said they would cover it. It pays to feed them donuts every time I visit.
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so does it start with the charger on?
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