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Who's the best damn tuner around here? I have a job for them

I used to go to Kevin Hanson, but with his departure, I now need a shop that can handle a simple (yet not so simple) exhaust and EFI/TC upgrade. And a shop with real experience and a solid rep, please not "my buddy took his bike to his friend's shop...." Here's my situation:

I recently got a 2013 GSXR 750 for street and occasional track days. After some research, I now intend to put on a Yoshimura R-77D full system, and planned to just add a PCV to handle the EFI mapping. WELL I learned that there are now much better paths to EFI perfection than the PCV. Namely, Bazazz. But it's not so simple, since Bazazz has the Z-Fi, the Z-AFM, the Z-Fi-TC, the Z-Bomb, etc. Then there's quick shift, needing O2 sensors, yet not needing O2 sensors, airbox mods, fuel cut-off eliminator....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


SO I call a shop I was considering using for the install and tune, and ask some questions about this, and I get all sorts of answers with nothing that sounded right. Stuff like "it doesn't matter if you use the sensors or not, you'll still probably get error messages, most people just ignore that" and "no matter what you use you'll still get some popping and backfires", and "just the PCV should be fine, shouldn't need a dyno tune."

@^$^#%$*&^%&%#%@!

So, I'm willing to go with the Bazazz stuff, probably with the autotune module (Z-AFM), and maybe the traction control for track days. But I just want to take it to a local shop where the guys there really know their stuff regarding this, and can get it fully tuned and running perfect, dynoed if necessary, and can explain how it all works so I can fully use it. Whoever I talk to should know exactly what to get, what will be needed (O2 sensors or not) and get it done completely right, as if it rolled out of the Bazazz shop.

Anyone know who can handle this? It's not a real tough job, and won't take tons of labor, just a tech real familiar with these parts and how they all get installed right and work together. Unfortunately there are plenty of shops around that work "OCC style" and really aren't 100% sure of what they are doing. Or they really haven't done more then the basic PCV install. Bikes leave their shops, but they are far from optimized. They can get it done, but it's not quality work. If I want it done just OK, I'd do it myself and see what happens. But now I'd rather it get done 100% right and enjoy it the way it was designed to work. Then if this shop gets it really right, I have another bike to send their way.

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If you have the bazzazz with the AFM you really don't need to dyno tune. Just ride, record and make adjustments to get to your AFRs.

If you ask me a dyno just optimizes power at a standstill with a fan blowing at it. Hardly what is really happening at 150 mph.
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Strange choice of bike if you want the best TC and power, why not get a ZX10R and have Farrell tune it with a kit ecu? Bazzaz TC is crap compared to the oem systems from kawi, bmw, etc. same goes for fuel tuning, kit ecus are the way to go.

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If you have the bazzazz with the AFM you really don't need to dyno tune. Just ride, record and make adjustments to get to your AFRs.

If you ask me a dyno just optimizes power at a standstill with a fan blowing at it. Hardly what is really happening at 150 mph.
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Maybe you'd like some swamp land in Florida?

With a bike as fast as this maybe something like suspension tuning will be money better spent.Or is it the bling of the pipe and not really going faster?

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I used to go to Kevin Hanson, but with his departure, I now need a shop that can handle a simple (yet not so simple) exhaust and EFI/TC upgrade. And a shop with real experience and a solid rep, please not "my buddy took his bike to his friend's shop...." Here's my situation:

I recently got a 2013 GSXR 750 for street and occasional track days. After some research, I now intend to put on a Yoshimura R-77D full system, and planned to just add a PCV to handle the EFI mapping. WELL I learned that there are now much better paths to EFI perfection than the PCV. Namely, Bazazz. But it's not so simple, since Bazazz has the Z-Fi, the Z-AFM, the Z-Fi-TC, the Z-Bomb, etc. Then there's quick shift, needing O2 sensors, yet not needing O2 sensors, airbox mods, fuel cut-off eliminator....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


SO I call a shop I was considering using for the install and tune, and ask some questions about this, and I get all sorts of answers with nothing that sounded right. Stuff like "it doesn't matter if you use the sensors or not, you'll still probably get error messages, most people just ignore that" and "no matter what you use you'll still get some popping and backfires", and "just the PCV should be fine, shouldn't need a dyno tune."

@^$^#%$*&^%&%#%@!

So, I'm willing to go with the Bazazz stuff, probably with the autotune module (Z-AFM), and maybe the traction control for track days. But I just want to take it to a local shop where the guys there really know their stuff regarding this, and can get it fully tuned and running perfect, dynoed if necessary, and can explain how it all works so I can fully use it. Whoever I talk to should know exactly what to get, what will be needed (O2 sensors or not) and get it done completely right, as if it rolled out of the Bazazz shop.

Anyone know who can handle this? It's not a real tough job, and won't take tons of labor, just a tech real familiar with these parts and how they all get installed right and work together. Unfortunately there are plenty of shops around that work "OCC style" and really aren't 100% sure of what they are doing. Or they really haven't done more then the basic PCV install. Bikes leave their shops, but they are far from optimized. They can get it done, but it's not quality work. If I want it done just OK, I'd do it myself and see what happens. But now I'd rather it get done 100% right and enjoy it the way it was designed to work. Then if this shop gets it really right, I have another bike to send their way.

Thanks for any help!
Why not ION in harvard for the tune he was with kevin i believe prior to his move

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Marketing and sales people look for folks like you.
Maybe you'd like some swamp land in Florida?

With a bike as fast as this maybe something like suspension tuning will be money better spent.Or is it the bling of the pipe and not really going faster?
But his name is pwrmad not bkehndlsgoodmad. The real question is why didnt he buy a literbike? He's never going to get 200hp out of that 750
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Ever consider just getting a remapped ECU? These are much more simple than a piggy back box. I have a gixxertune re-flashed ECU and it works great.

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For track days more HP will not win you the top step on the box. Brakes and suspension are your best $$ spent.

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A harley-tuning shop, right? Looks like they can tune the hell out of a Harley, but I don't see anything other than Harleys on their page. I know of a few great Harley tuners, but they aren't as good on Jap fours.
Brian is great. He worked with my dad and brother for the 10 years my brother raced Yamahas in WERA/CCS and the AMA. He knows his shit, so don't let the web page mislead you.

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tough crowd. The man knows what he wants and wants to find a shop that can do it. What's wrong with that?

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Maybe you'd like some swamp land in Florida?

With a bike as fast as this maybe something like suspension tuning will be money better spent.Or is it the bling of the pipe and not really going faster?
Sorry, I should explain. I will try (and likely fail) to make this short.

I got the ZX-14R for when I need the outright speed and quickness fix, and it certainly handles that job well. I took it to a track day last year just to try it out. It obviously is not meant as a track bike, but it wasn't horrible either, good handling for such a whale. Got to do much more with it than I would on the street, and good to get closer to it's limits there anyway. It's a perfect street bike for me, comfortable, smooth, and a decent amount of power.

That ZX-14R replaced my 2008 CBR1000RR that I did a few track days with also. Great bike, great for the track even mostly stock, and at the time if I could have kept both, I would have kept it, end of story. But I couldn't, so I sold the CBR to get the 14, and later thank God my finances improved enough that I could look for another bike to do some track days with.

So...with the GSXR 750, I wanted something much better for the track, and less focus for the street. Less weight, good suspension, simple to mod - I wanted balance. Not a 600 which would frustrate me on street rides, and not a 1000 which is a bit overkill for me at track days. So far I love it, and it's just what I expected. Nothing exotic so mods aren't super expensive (Ducati exhaust is about $3000!) and if I have a spill, I won't be crushed. Plus I've ridden many GSXR 750s over the years and always liked them, and had wanted to get the current gen 750 (BPF, Brembos, lighter weight) ever since they came out. Also, the dealership gave me a great deal on it, gave me a great deal on my trade (more than anywhere else I tried) and I got 0% APR for 5 years, so it's cost me next to nothing so far.

My reason for the original post is not for absolute peak power numbers - obviously I could have bought the GSXR-1000 right next to it if that was my goal. But I always like to get a bike optimized regarding the exhaust and EFI, meaning smooth power and fueling from idle to redline, no pops, surging or stumbles, improved low-end and midrange power (and usually some top-end gains too) and of course the benefits of a good exhaust that looks much better, sounds much better, and sheds some poundage too. It's taking a stock bike (any stock bike, really) and making it run just right.

I've seen it done wrong many times (yet the owners think it's great) and I've seen it done damn near perfectly a few times, and when it's there, it's a beautiful thing. THAT'S what I want for this 750. I want to fit a good full exhaust, team it with good EFI equipment, and get the thing running perfectly. The rest of the bike is good enough for me, and yes, handling is important, that's why I got it. The suspension on this bike is good enough to impress every mag tester that has track tested it, so it's surely good enough for me and anyone short of a pro. A few setting changes on the first or second track day and I'll be good there. For me, a bike that's 419 lbs wet (possibly under 400 lbs wet after exhaust swap) with brembo front calipers, a BPF and a decent shock does not need upgrading for me to improve. If and when my abilities outshine the equipment this bike has, first I'll celebrate!, then I'll upgrade it. As has been said, a pro on an SV650 can lap an amateur like me no matter what I'm riding, so this bike is plenty good for me at this stage. My main desire now is to get it running perfectly, using my friends Yoshimura and Bazazz.

And a third party, yet to be determined (see first post).
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tough crowd. The man knows what he wants and wants to find a shop that can do it. What's wrong with that?
Ha, I was just telling my wife that. Seems people are always much nicer and more willing to help in person. It's not like I'm saying I just bought my first bike and want to crush all challengers, I'm just looking to hear from those on this site who know and have worked with really good local mechanics, and want to give them some business!

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He now has the dyno that was at Safety First and does a good job. He tuned my Bazzaz stuff and I was happy.
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When I lived in Seattle, I sent my bikes to the best tuner in the country, yes country. He has people ship their ECUs and bikes to him from all over the place. If this is something you're interested in, contact Nels with 2 Wheel Dynoworks. I guarantee you will love his work. Even if you don't have him work on your bike, give him a call...he might be able to point you in the direction of someone comparable.

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Matt Drucker at MD Racing. He is near the quad city's. I believe he does the motor builds for Dan Ortega and Scotty Ryan. My bike is there right now getting the kit ECU dyno tuned.

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Now that's more like it! No slamming, just good advice.

Thanks for the contacts, everyone, within the next month or so I will be contacting some of these guys and hope they'll work their magic on my bike. I'll post up the results. Should be interesting.
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When I lived in Seattle, I sent my bikes to the best tuner in the country, yes country. He has people ship their ECUs and bikes to him from all over the place. If this is something you're interested in, contact Nels with 2 Wheel Dynoworks. I guarantee you will love his work. Even if you don't have him work on your bike, give him a call...he might be able to point you in the direction of someone comparable.

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And yeah, +1 on the tough crowd. WTF.
so are you saying that they take a stock ecu and retune it ?
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They reflash it.
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so are you saying that they take a stock ecu and retune it ?
Through ECUnleashed (http://ecunleashed.com), Nels can flash your stock ECU as long as ECUnleashed has developed a map for the bike (year, make).

From their website:

ECU Modifications – (options may vary per vehicle)

* Remove Factory Timing Retard
* Remove Throttle Restrictions
* Increased Idle
* Increased Rev Limit
* Remove Speed Limiters (Gear Dependent)
* Reduce Excessive Engine Braking/Improved Deceleration
* Improved Throttle Control & Reaction
* Remove Injector Shut-Off on Deceleration
* Eliminate Factory “Error codes” (ex. exhaust valve, steering damper)
* Optimized Fuel Maps
* Improved Ignition Maps
* Injector Phasing Adjustment
* Velocity Stack Switching Adjustment (Variable Stacks Only)
* Race Fuel Mapping Accommodations
“Return to Stock” Option

If ECUnleashed hasn't developed a map for your bike yet, Nels still does the best tunes I've ever known. Like the OP said, I wanted my bikes to run and perform optimally - no jerky throttle, no chugging at take off, smooth accel/decel, etc. Without a proper tune, bikes are suffering with improper air/fuel ratios throughout the RPM range.

Obviously Seattle isn't the most convenient location, but shipping an ECU is not a big deal...
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