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Motorcycle Accident Scene Management

Thought I would pass this along. From a motorcycle safety training course (and fully EMR approved):


Motorcycle Accident Scene Management

This is not a first-aid article


Do Not move motorcycle or motorcycle parts unless absolutely necessary. (The position of bike/and or parts helps reconstruct the accident)

Take Charge and Calmly/Confidently:
  • Move hysterical people away from the scene
  • Quickly assess the scene for number of injured/extent of injuries
  • Do they need helicopter? Fire Dept? Jaws of Life?
  • Are there Power Lines down? Possible Hazardous/flamable material spilled? (Don’t guess on the hazardous/flamable part, just assume it is!)
  • Treat even the slightest injury as if it is an emergency. There may be something you can’t see/internal or under leathers – Better for the ambulance not to be needed than waste precious time needed to save a life. (It only takes 3 minutes to bleed to death if an arm or leg is severed)
  • Activate ERS (Emergency Response System) by calling 911. If no cell phone – send female to nearest home/phone (they are more readily accepted into a home)
  • What to say on the Phone:
  • There has been an accident involving a motorcycle/s.
  • Need ambulance/s
  • Location of accident – be specific/precise If you have a GPS, give coordinates.
  • Number of injured Assume everyone down needs an ambulance (only 1 person/ambulance, so this lets them know if more are needed) .
  • Extent of injuries
  • Do not hang up before the ERS operator does! Caller hangs up last!
  • Keep gawkers away from the scene (unless they have medical background)
  • Direct ambulance to the scene. If you are in a remote place and don’t remember where you are, send a person to the last major intersection to direct the ambulance.
  • Most Qualified person attends to the patients (EMT, Military training, any medical training)
  • Do NOT move the victim (unless they are in the middle of a busy highway and their life is threatened)
  • Write everything down: position person was found in, conscious/unconscious, speaking, etc.
  • Take pictures quickly if you can. This assists the EMT’s and accident reconstruction.
  • Keep Patient Talking – remember A.M.P.L.E.
  • Allergic to anything?
  • Medications? This includes street drugs.
  • Past medical history? ie- cardiac, diabetic, seizures, cancer, etc.
  • Last time patient ate/drank? What?
  • Events prior to accident? (What were they doing?)
  • Full name and address (write it down!)
  • Next of Kin?
  • Ask the patient – Who are they? Where are they? Time and Date? Write down the answers they give - Repeat this every 5 minutes. (If they begin to change their answers, this is indication of going into shock)
  • Get Pulse and breathing rate – write it down. Repeat every 5 minutes.
  • Record time events occur.
  • Find their cell phone/s – May contain ICE# (In Case of Emergency) This is a good idea. Emergency response people are trained to look for ICE in cell phone log for emergency contact numbers.
  • When the Ambulance Arrives:
  • Provide parking (make sure the ambulance can get to the victims)
  • Let the EMT’s know who is in charge
  • Give factual account – no guesses, no “this is what I think”, ONLY FACTS
  • Give them what has been written down.
  • Stay back and leave when you’re told to.

Don’t forget “thank you’s” to Emergency Response people for their quick response.
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Local newspaper
This helps improve their view of the general motorcycle community and is the Right Thing To Do.




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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 05-23-2008, 07:15 PM
 
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I printed this out for reference
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This is very through, the one thing I would add is to assess the scene with your safety in mind before approaching. The last thing you want is to add another victim to the accident. Do not approach the scene without thinking about your safety first.
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Ken ample is actually S.A.M.P.L.E

S = Symptoms

Also what about the most important the ABC. Away Breathing and Circulation? that's top priority

Second most important right after the above is

C-spine and
Leaving the helmet on the person rather then taking it off.

Every rider that goes down and needs a ambulance should have c-spine held until the medics tell you to let go. Those are the best thing you can do for someone until EMS arrives.

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .

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Quick question for you EMS guys/gals on here. If someone is not breathing and you need to do mouth-to-mouth, is that an ok time to remove the helmet?
This is in reference to C2M's post about not removing the helmet and not moving the head until EMS arrives.

And if I'm repacking my firstaid kit for the new riding season (I keep one in my tank bag at all times) what is the most likely bandages that I will need?
Can I assume fractures and road rash will be the most common medical problem? Although I can easily patch up a GSW, not to likely that it will happen to us on a group ride. (Although around the city I wonder...)

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Quick question for you EMS guys/gals on here. If someone is not breathing and you need to do mouth-to-mouth, is that an ok time to remove the helmet?
This is in reference to C2M's post about not removing the helmet and not moving the head until EMS arrives.

And if I'm repacking my firstaid kit for the new riding season (I keep one in my tank bag at all times) what is the most likely bandages that I will need?
Can I assume fractures and road rash will be the most common medical problem? Although I can easily patch up a GSW, not to likely that it will happen to us on a group ride. (Although around the city I wonder...)
Yes you should remove the helmet with as little movement as possible

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go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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Good querstion. I was always told breathing is more important than walking. And I am not being a smartass, just the response i got. Hopefully someone with the knowledge will post.
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Good querstion. I was always told breathing is more important than walking. And I am not being a smartass, just the response i got. Hopefully someone with the knowledge will post.
C2M can look like an idiot, but he does have knowledge and I would take his response as knowledgeable to this subject

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C2M can look like an idiot, but he does have knowledge and I would take his response as knowledgeable to this subject

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Thanks mort

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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For what it's worth, this accident scene management practice can be used in many scenarios other than motorcycle accidents. Change the wording around a little bit to whatever you are doing. I have some wilderness first responder classes under my belt and recognize most of what is stated.
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C2M can look like an idiot, but he does have knowledge and I would take his response as knowledgeable to this subject

(C2M = Code2Medic)
I was typing that as he was responding no disrespect to C2M
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So much, the only thing I would add, the scene with your safety in approaches to assess themselves. The last thing that you want to add the latest victim of the accident. Turn the scene without thinking about your safety first.
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When it comes time to talk to the injured person, start by telling them simply and with calm authority: You've been in an accident. Please stay calm and don't try to move just yet. I'm here to help you. Then go into the questioning. Before you touch them in any way, tell them what you're about to do (even if they appear unconscious). "Your arm is bleeding and needs to have a tourniquette. This may hurt a bit."

Don't be afraid to ask them to help! Sometimes giving them something to do... anything... will help keep them focused and not feeling quite so vulnerable.

If they insist on getting up right away (and some will), tell them to count to 30 out loud first. Most people will lose the ego before they get to 30 and either stay down - or they're probably "mostly okay" and you wouldn't be able to stop them anyways.

I'm hoping all of us have an emergency contact information where it will be easily found (add an ICE contact to your phone, keep a card in your inside jacket pocket AND wallet). If you have severe allergies - buy and wear a medic alert bracelet. It's saved my wife's life.
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this is great! Good job!
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