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Difference between HS and GP

Ok, I'm bored. I was just watching videos on the Fox Valley site. What is the difference between a Hare Scramble and a GP? It looks like the GP uses part of the MX track and the HS doesn't. Do they both use the log/tractor tire sections?

I know I have talked about these events before but, too bad. I'm BORED and I want to talk moto.

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A Hare Scrambles is a closed course cross country event that runs on a course 2 1/2 miles to 40 miles in length. It has no determined number of laps. It is run on a determined length of time (I.E. 45 minutes) depending on class and skill level. A rider is considered to have finished the HareScramble if he completes 50% of the laps the winner of his class completed. There is one official check at the finish line with a rollcheck as backup. Speed is the determining factor in the outcome of the race. A simplified explanation of a Hare Scramble is that it is an eastern variation of the Hare & Hound which is run out west in desert terrain. It's a serious competition event
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A Gran Prix is a closed course that includes both MX track and natural terrain over a short course (about 5 miles give or take depending on the promoter) usually run in a two race format for an aggregate finish position (like MX) for a set amount of laps. The rules for a GP do not appear in the AMA rulebook. They are supplemental and provided by the RDO (Recognized District Organization I.E. AMA District 17), A competition partner in an area where no RDO is active or the event promoter.
The idea of a GP is to get MX racers, Hare Scramblers, Enduro riders and casual dirt (trail) riders out to compete with each other on terrain that they have all ridden on. A GP is designed to encourage beginning and entry level racers to compete and to be challenging enough for the more experienced. It's meant to be High on the fun factor and not too serious.

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Essentially you are correct. The GP uses more MX, and a hare scramble uses none. They are both fun though.

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Harescramble is an hour and a half, very little of the Moto track, more tighter, harder sections. The endurocross section is usually only in the A,B afternoon race. The logs up by the office are always in, but the have a pussy trail around them.

GP is 2 30 minute motos, a couple hours apart. More Moto track, wider, easier trail. Usually no endurocross stuff, just the logs by the office, with a pussy trail around them.

The hs will be more encouraging. There are more classes, and you will end up finishing better, leading to more confidence. The only objective you should have is to finish the first time out. Pace yourself and just try to keep making progress. If you get winded stop for a minute and catch your breath. Stay away from the big mistakes that sap your energy. After the first lap everybody gets pretty stretched out and there's not a lot of passing.

GP is loaded with fast guys in pretty much every class, which there are fewer of. Mx guys, enduro/hs guys are all doing it now. Its still fun, but its tough to place well.


I like to do a bunch of hs and a couple GP's every year. Some of the hs down south are really good single track races. Those are my favorite.
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This will give you a good idea of what to expect.

Give it at least 2 min to really get going.


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[QUOTE=Hman675;2303354]This will give you a good idea of what to expect.

Give it at least 2 min to really get going.




About 5 minutes into this, I would have turned around and gone back to my car and popped a beer. With my short legs, this is the situation where I would want a KTM with electric start, a 2 stroke that starts easier or a KX100 or CRF150r that allows me to touch the ground easily

That being said, I want to try something this year.

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You may want to keep that car idling then. Almost all HS I've done look like this at some point, usually the beginning. Looping your shit out and falling back down the hill or running someone's bike over is part of the fun though.

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not really at FVOR, the hills there are ok unless its muddy, and they usually do GP on Saturday. HS on sunday , the GP being a "fun" event and a little less serious
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..... With my short legs, this is the situation where I would want a KTM with electric start, a 2 stroke that starts easier or a KX100 or CRF150r that allows me to touch the ground easily

That being said, I want to try something this year.

Take care and ride safe,
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I have short legs too...I don't know what you're riding but, I had "The Seat guy" lower my seat by 2 inches and I have a "Kuba" link that will lower the bike by another 2 inches once I install it. The lowered seat alone has made a great difference and the link should make it better still.

I have had some health issues that seem to be finally behind me combined with being very busy as the AMA BOD member that has kept me from riding off road much, but I had the oportunity to ride the Wayne National forest and in the desert outside Vegas last October and I am going to make the time to get out this year to some HS and GP events!
I remember a couple of years ago there was a big group from CLSB at Byron for the MX57 GP. It would be cool to pick an event or two that we all could make. The AMA District 17 schedule is up!

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In the past C class does not run the endurocross section at FVOR. Looking forward to the summer.

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With my short legs, this is the situation where I would want a KTM with electric start, a 2 stroke that starts easier or a KX100 or CRF150r that allows me to touch the ground easily

That being said, I want to try something this year.

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I have a RMZ250 and I had TZR lower the suspension about 1 1/4". I am getting the seat done soon. The biggest problem I have is that it is a hard bike to start. As my skill level has gotten better, I don't think the seat height will be as much an issue. If it turns out to be an issue, I will go back to the car and have a beer. The pit bench racing is usually the most fun anyways.

Selecting a couple events to get a group together works for me. The Club57 event would be one I would like to try.
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I had a fun enduro this year. Looped the bike twice on two different hills. The second time it took out a rider next to me. I felt so bad that I showed him an easier way out...lol

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Is yours just a regular rekluse or does it have the lever as well?

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Is yours just a regular rekluse or does it have the lever as well?
all of them work with the stock clutch lever. you mean the LHRB lever?
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Any dirtbike I own from here out gets a recluse. Best part I've ever put on any bike.
I would like to try a Rekluse clutch. It seems pretty cool.
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This will give you a good idea of what to expect.

Give it at least 2 min to really get going.

So let me get this straight its a bunch of men stuck on a hill falling, revving the shit out of the bikes, hitting trees and each other while not moving anywhere while they stand next to the bike in one place

whats the point of that

What happened to WOT and go up the hill i only saw 3 or 4 do that and they made it like nothing

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .

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Once you screw up it's tough to get up the hill again. Plus, once there is a few of these goofs clogging up the trail you have nowhere to go. Best bet is always WOT though for sure. If you don't make it, at least you hit someone with a good amount of force.

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Best bet is always WOT though for sure. If you don't make it, at least you hit someone with a good amount of force.
or if you're lucky, you fall off the back and the bike lauches to the top of the hill. you still have to walk up, but that's better than riding it back down and trying agian.
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I would do what the guy with the camera did in the video. Just stand there and watch the carnage.
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I would do what the guy with the camera did in the video. Just stand there and watch the carnage.
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