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What's up with the sandbaggers at Byron?

So WFO promotions finally posted the results of the 8/24 hare scramble at Byron. I finished near the middle of the 201-open C class. I started getting pissed as I looked over results of the other classes. Am I reading this right?

http://wfopromotions.com/RaceResults...ts_8-24-14.pdf

86-250 B had 8 riders.
-2 riders completed 6 laps.
-3 riders completed 5 laps.
-They had 105 minutes to race.

251-Open B had 10 riders.
-3 riders completed 5 laps.
-3 riders completed 4 laps.
They had 105 minutes to race.

Vet 30+ B had 4 riders.
-1 rider completed 5 laps.
-2 riders completed 3 laps.
They had 105 minutes to race.

201-Open C had 32 riders.
-1 rider completed 7 laps.
-13 riders completed 6 laps.
-8 riders completed 5 laps.
They had 90 minutes to race (15 minutes less than the B class).

So if I'm reading this right, more than 23 riders in the 201-Open C class would have finished ahead of the first place B class rider. More when you factor in the 15 minutes less race time.

I finished in 15th place out of 32 riders in 201-open C. I completed 5 laps in 91 minutes. With my lap times, I could have taken first place in both the 86-250B and 251-Open B. I ride a 250cc so it would have been the 86-250 but you get my point. A good majority of the 251-open riders are on bigger bikes.

So would I have a better shot at a trophy if I went up to race the B-Class? I know people like their chances of winning in a slower group but this is crazy.

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At Fox Valley, A and B run a harder course than everyone else. I have no idea if WFO does the same thing.

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What Maynard said.

There was likely a course change in between races. I'll ask around.
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Yeah, the AA guys all did 6 laps. While fast C guys show 7.

C definitely ran a different course than A and B

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A wet track can get slower also. Holes get bigger, ruts get deeper.
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Yeah, the AA guys all did 6 laps. While fast C guys show 7.

C definitely ran a different course than A and B
That would explain a lot. I wasn't looking at the AA lap times.

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I was standing behind a guy at regristration who chose to run with the C class instead of the A/B where he belonged. All because he wanted to race at 10:00 instead of 12:00. Me and a couple other guys who heard it looked at each other and rolled our eyes. I had that in the back of my mind while looking at the scores wondering how many others had the same thought.

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As far as I know you can't drop down down a class without some type of district approval process. And you have to run the same class in both hare scrambles and motocross. Meaning you cant run A class in MX and C in hare scrambles. Or vise versa. The district also bumps you up a class when they feel its necessary. So you cant just pound out wins in the C class year after year.

I believe that's all controlled at sign up by your AMA number. The district knows sandbagging is bad for the sport and I would hope they do an ok job at preventing it. It obviously happens but I don't believe its that common.

AA guys are blazingly fast. No way the majority of the C class is touching their lap times

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They added a couple hills and some really tight stuff for the afternoon race.

Sandbagging still happens. It sucks, but its still there. Advancement is handled by the AMA. They only advance once a year. Can't advance a guy halfway through a championship points chase. You can drop a class in most cases. I'm b is harescrambles, but I can and would run c in mx if I were going to race mx.
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