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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 06-29-2015, 09:45 AM Thread Starter
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Lately, Kevin Windham has been on various podcasts discussing rider safety. He doesn't have an exact answer but, he discusses tracks, engine size, gear and amateur riders. He recently started a conversation on Instagram about the section at Thunder Valley where Tomac went down. He was asking if it should be changed to be safer. My opinion is no. I think it is up to the rider to decide if he needs to back it down. Maybe you can do something about engine size. Maybe all 250's with the big boys able to modify. Just spit ballin'. What are your thoughts?
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To be fast on a 250, you have to ride it past its edge - You cannot do this on a 450........just ask Barcia

The 450 takes time to understand "how to" - Guys like Vilpo and Kroc made it look easy while guys like ET3 and Barchia show us what its really like - Tracks are fine, it is up to the riders to make it work

Kevin Schwartz said it best in the original "Faster"............."90% of racing is in between the ears" - But , like all racing, ya gotta risk it to get the biscuit - Question is, who can do that without killing themselves - To quote Judge Smails.........The world needs ditch diggers too

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It's certainly too dangerous on the amateur side. There's a lot wrong with amateur mx, but I think track design is a huge problem. Too fast, too big, and for kids far too young.

I say stop grooming tracks so much. Let's see who can make the 90' triple with holes and ruts that you could hide a VW in leading up to it.
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Looking at it from another perspective maybe the tracks aren't the problem but, the extreme advancement in the technology of the bikes has exceeded the riders ability to ride them causing the riders to attack the tracks too extremely. We...the human animal are an ancient design with set limits. Even with the very best of modern protective equipment and advanced personal training have we been able to extend those limits only a minescule amount! Maybe the time has come to actually back off a little bit on the complexity of the bikes.
This has been a big problem in military aviation for quite some time...the planes have exceeded the ability of men to fly them to their full potential. In that arena a lot has been given over to computers and even that hasn't solved the problem...AND... do want to see that in motocross competition?
It's an interesting problem to be sure...do we make the tracks easier or the bikes simpler completely changing how to deal with the challenge of the track?

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This year, they are not grooming the tracks between motos. It seemed that Tomac didn't care. Maybe next time he will back off.

What little kids are doing today is insane. They seat bounce huge jumps with no fear. Even locally at places like Byron, it is crazy what they do.
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Maybe the time has come to actually back off a little bit on the complexity of the bikes.
2 Storke Comeback? - NEVER but I think if kids learned to race 2 smokes (I know amateurs do with 80s and such) and start on 125s and then go to 250 4t there will be more respect for the power and control vs just balls out WOT

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Fuuuuuck u! The 2t is the future bro!
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Fuuuuuck u! The 2t is the future bro!
Tell that to the Mfgs that are getting $8K to $10K a bike for a 4t

No way to get that for a 2t unless there is a MAJOR overhaul in technology and then it is an ROI thing to see how many bikes need to sell before the overhaul is no longer cost prohibitive to do

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If all the manufacturers made 2 stroke 125's, then that could be an option for the smaller class. I don't see if happening with just Yamahas, Huskies and KTMs.
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honda is planning on releasing a 2t next year in north america
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countryside bmw-ktm is sitting on new 2014 sx125's asking $4,995 and not selling
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