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I'm looking at possibly grabbing a new helmet this year and was looking at Suomy.

My question is does anyone know who carries them so I can try one on? I don't want to spend $800 on another Arai as much as I like mine. Damn helmets are getting out of hand now for pricing. Yes I have found them a little cheaper but not the one I want.

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Shoei? I tried on both (Shoei and Arai) and the Shoei was pretty similar fit but about half the price. Might be worth taking a second look at them.

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Racers cafe in St. Charles still carries them I believe. Not sure how much they stock though.
I love my Soumy. Super light and vents very well. It is loud, but I wear ear plugs.

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Shoei? I tried on both (Shoei and Arai) and the Shoei was pretty similar fit but about half the price. Might be worth taking a second look at them.
I've had both Shoei and Arai. Both are good, but, I found the Arai to be a little lighter, and overall like it better.

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Racers cafe in St. Charles still carries them I believe. Not sure how much they stock though.
I love my Soumy. Super light and vents very well. It is loud, but I wear ear plugs.
My Arai is exactly the same way: very ventilated, and very loud. I wear earplugs too.

And thanks for that lead on Racer Cafe ... I'm definitely going to check them out.

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I don't care for Shoei. Thanks Matoo. I'll have to check them out. I wear plugs or iPod all the time so noise is no issue for me


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I have a Suomy and find it a good fit for my goofy oval head. Their medium seems to fit tigher than the Arai mediums. I do recall reading that Suomy may stop (or have stopped) distributing in the US and that may be why it is hard to find them in the local shops.

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Really? Do you know why they might/did stop? That's kinda strange.


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I shoulda tried on a Suomy, just to try it out. But I tried the Arai and got hooked.

Lesson learned, people: Not shopping around and trying everything will lead to having 6 helmets in your closet.

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Really? Do you know why they might/did stop? That's kinda strange.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to specific information. I recall reading an article about distribution stopping. I may be completely wrong.
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Re: Suomy?

Dollar to the euro conversion has been beating a lot of the euro brands pretty hard.

I've worn Suomy and liked them as much as Arai (which is to say A LOT) I basically only bought arai for so long because I had like 15 shields and it was nice to be able to swap them around between helmets. I also like arai's visor removal system the most but that's more than likely due to being most used to it
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... I also like arai's visor removal system the most but that's more than likely due to being most used to it
+1 Totally forgot about that. Great point! Easy as pie to swap out an Arai visor. Shoei was a bigger hassle.

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I love my Suomy Spec 1R. Awesome helmet for the price.

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Re: Suomy?

Awesome helmet at any price.
Fit and finish is on par with Arai. There is really no higher compliment I could give a helmet. I would rate arai as the helmet I rate all others by
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if u are not dead set on the suomy look at the shark rsr2. u are not just paying for a name...

downside is u will never find one to try on locally...


i have the same one as in the vid..it was a toss up between the shoei x-11 and this for me (didnt like the fit of the arai)

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=2444


just got it at the very end of the season and i havent logged lots of time on it only a few rides but so far i love it. besides what is mentioned in the vid... the field of vision is awesome. i was struggling a lot at the track with my old helmet. when i would get down low off the bike i couldnt see shit in some corners and it was really making things difficult for me with my riding style. as soon as i tested this out on my private closed course i knew i had solved that problem. cant wait to use it at the track

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also the winter mask that comes with this helmet works beautifully when the temps start to drop to keep condensation to a minimum and keeps u comfortable. especially for cold track days. being comfortable out there is vital so that u stay focused on riding. i know i was miserable out there the last trackday i did on a very in climate day (fuckin brutal windstorm lol). then and there i decided to get the best helmet i thought was out there. i could have used this helmet then....

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if u are not dead set on the suomy look at the shark rsr2. u are not just paying for a name...

downside is u will never find one to try on locally...


i have the same one as in the vid..it was a toss up between the shoei x-11 and this for me (didnt like the fit of the arai)

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=2444


just got it at the very end of the season and i havent logged lots of time on it only a few rides but so far i love it. besides what is mentioned in the vid... the field of vision is awesome. i was struggling a lot at the track with my old helmet. when i would get down low off the bike i couldnt see shit in some corners and it was really making things difficult for me with my riding style. as soon as i tested this out on my private closed course i knew i had solved that problem. cant wait to use it at the track
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Personally I don't care for the look of the Sharks. I looked at them when Chicago Cylce carried them a couple years ago.


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personaly i dont really like bold or 'cartoonish' looking gear....but i think the duhamel looks fuckin awesome...



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Just a FYI, Suomy is still available in the US. Maric group or something like that is the new importer. Helmets are still available at places like Parts Unlimited and other past Suomy dealers.

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What size head to you have?

Good helmets are expensive....how much is your head worth to you...you only get one head. How much does it cost you when you crash are out of a job for months messed up????

I've got friends that wore cheap helmets and ended up in hospitals for months in comas....I think if they had it to do all over again they would spend the extra money for a good helmet.

Spend the money.....cheap helmets are cheap for a reason.

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So you are saying Suomy is a cheap helmet?!? I think not and I'm still not paying $800 for a damn helemet when there are just as good helmets out there for cheaper.


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I went from a shoei to a scorpion and love it. I have actually changed the sheild while waiting at a red light with the helmet on my head. so obvouisly that is easily done. And to make sure I bought a good helmet I slammed into a deer and face planted The blacktop at about 50 MPH. Didn't black out and had no concussion so I figure it is a pretty good helmet!

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I've owned both. There is no comparison. The Arai is by far the better helmet in both fit and finish. I've had the Suomy Spec 1r and Arai Corser V. Arai hands down. The only thing Suomy has going for them is the cool graphics.

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What size head to you have?

Good helmets are expensive....how much is your head worth to you...you only get one head. How much does it cost you when you crash are out of a job for months messed up????

I've got friends that wore cheap helmets and ended up in hospitals for months in comas....I think if they had it to do all over again they would spend the extra money for a good helmet.

Spend the money.....cheap helmets are cheap for a reason.
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Yes.. There is a reason.. Paying top riders who would make the fastest people on here look as slow as the fastest on here make the slowest on here look slow is expensive. Do you know how much money AGV pays Rossi to wear that lid? Rossi isn't paying 800$ a lid - he is getting paid to wear that gear (Dainese owns AGV - they pay Rossi around 6 million dollars a year to wear their gear)

Now all that said - I generally wear pretty good gear.. Because to be honest I can afford the difference and I appreciate the quality differences.. but as motorcyclist pointed out (using actual scientific equipment.. not "joe survived his accident with an arai while jimmie didn't wearing an HJC" anecdotal evidence..

IMHO and it's just my opinion.. but the quality of your helmet is as much looks and fit and finish as it is safety.. Most of the cheap helmets seem to actually perform better - they sacrificed themselves and deformed absorbing energy while the better helmets were prettier afterwards but absorbed less energy. IMHO2 the difference in a good helmet and a cheap helmet in an accident is minimal.. How you hit and what you hit make up 90% or more of the equasion.. What helmet you are wearing makes about as much difference as whether you get hit by a greyhound bus or a semi truck.. if you hit something immovable.. it really doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

oh and I wouldn't call Suomy helmets cheap.. Nor Shark.. That said I would say Shark is just as much a show off helmet as Suomy.. and admittedly one notch down from Arai.

Arai pays dearly to have that grid loaded with Arais.. and we pay dearly because we all wanna look just like "x insert name here x"

We're all a bunch of posers
but I am still rocking my old school Colin Edwards WSB and my Nicky Hayden Arai helmets.. cuz they are just bad ass

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The whole helmet article.. and the ensuing lawsuit threats remind anyone else of Consumer Reports and Sharper Image?

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They lost

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oh and I wouldn't call Suomy helmets cheap.. Nor Shark.. That said I would say Shark is just as much a show off helmet as Suomy.. and admittedly one notch down from Arai.
if u research that lid u would see thats it is in the same category, if not a higher one in terms of safety and ingenuity, than all the top helmets. yes that includes the almighty arai...

safety is first and foremost in choosing a lid

i did my research, i chose the rsr2 helmet...and its lighter

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The Shark RSR2 is a fantastic helmet. Amazing reviews all around. Been using it for a year.


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if u research that lid u would see thats it is in the same category, if not a higher one in terms of safety and ingenuity, than all the top helmets. yes that includes the almighty arai...

safety is first and foremost in choosing a lid

i did my research, i chose the rsr2 helmet...and its lighter
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For some reason I haven't seen a single one at the track
Not to say there aren't any.. I just don't recall seeing any.

and here is the main reason why I don't wear it.. Not safey but
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The Z1R ZRP-1, or at least our Cherry Red size XL example, has a very narrow head opening. The bottom of the helmet must be stretched to the limit to get it over any of the size XL heads we've tried.

Once it's on the rider's head, the top of the helmet feels narrow, but the sides are so wide that I can place my hands alongside each of my ears and reach all the way to the back of my head.

Eyeglass wearers -- or at least eyeglass wearers with earth-shaped heads -- may rejoice at all the room around the middle of their heads.

The helmet is one of the most uncomfortable I've ever worn. The combination of the narrow opening at the bottom and the wide sides leaves me feeling like I'm wearing a fishbowl.

The lack of support on the sides of my head also cause the helmet to move around on my head when I'm riding, which is disconcerting.

The Z1R ZRP-1 has a relatively uncomfortable liner, more so because the padding is thin and what padding is there is very firm and the material feels very scratchy, almost like it was made from rough wool.
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Again..
Almost all of the evidence pointing towards the more expensive lids is anecdotal evidence.. Even the STG stuff.. Do you think he puts his head in an helmet on an anvil and drops a weight onto different helmets recording how they felt? or crashes the same way on purpose to evaluate?

No.. He looks at fit and finish and says "damn.. this one is nice" and "wow this feels like a cheap piece of shit" same as we all do.

Motorcyclist did us all a service with that article.. even if there is no actual real.. real world test for this stuff.. the type of testing they did was as close to scientific conclusive repeatable testing i could come up with.

That said.. It sucked that they didn't come out and say that the helmets I love are the best.. It would have made me feel more validated in all the thousands of dollars I have spent on lids..

That said you can't measure some things.. Like the Arai magically ability to not touch the ground in accidents (or the arai force field effect) I have had 2 or 3 doosy accidents.. bounced down the pavement pretty damn good.. and never touched my mellon on the ground once.. That's something that only seems to happen to me when I wear Arai helmets.. So.. That - while hard to measure or prove.. is an awesome feature.
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I am a SUOMY dealer. Sadly, because of the price of helmets, I don't stock. I will, however, do what I can to give CLSB'ers the best deal possible. I will also do a group buy if anyone else is interested.
All manufacturers have strict MAP polices these days, so PM or 800 319 9273 for pricing.
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