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Apple MOST Admired Company on the Planet (3rd Year in a ROW)

Take that PC bigots!

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/02/news...anies.fortune/

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Re: Apple MOST Admired Company on the Planet (3rd Year in a ROW)

Working for Apple is another story. Heard Jobs is ridiculously tough on his employees regarding deadlines and code efficiency.

You better be nice to America or we will bring democracy to your country.
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I used to work for him way back when. He is not the same guy he used to be, he is actually a good leader now.

I worked FOR Apple 84-88, and AT Apple 88-93, and then for Apple 93-01

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I honestly don't see how they do this...
If you drop all the fanboi crap.. they really are as bad or worse than MS in a lot of ways.
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Trust me, that's not a bad thing.

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what does it mean to 'admire' a company anyways?

i mean, i'm an apple guy, been using them for/at work forever.

but admire how? like because of their innovation? profits?

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EFF begs to differ
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EFF dubs Apple a 'jealous feudal lord' over iPhone dev contractPublishes iPhone developer license, blasts Apple for 'troubling' clauses
By Gregg Keizer
March 10, 2010 06:59 AM ET



Computerworld - Apple's agreement with iPhone developers contains several "troubling" clauses that paint the company as a "jealous and arbitrary feudal lord," the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) said yesterday.

The nonprofit digital rights advocacy group on Tuesday published a January 2010 version of the iPhone Developer License Agreement obtained from NASA through a Freedom of Information Act request.

"It's only because Apple still 'owns' the customer, long after each iPhone (and soon, iPad) is sold, that it is able to push these contractual terms on the entire universe of software developers for the platform," said Fred von Lohmann, an EFF senior staff attorney, in a message on the organization's site that accompanied the license.

The EFF has criticized Apple before for the strict control it maintains over the iPhone hardware and the software allowed on the smartphone. Last year, for example, the group blasted Apple for claiming that "jailbreaking" an iPhone was illegal. The term refers to modifying an iPhone so that unauthorized software can be installed. The EFF has asked the U.S. Copyright Office to rule that installing non-Apple software on an iPhone is not a violation of copyright laws; Apple has asked the office to deny the request.

Apple can call the shots, including inserting "troubling" sections in the developer license, because of its control over all aspects of the iPhone -- and the soon-to-be-released iPad, which will use the same software distribution model -- said von Lohmann.

The EFF questioned a number of the sections in the agreement, starting with the secrecy Apple demands of developers. The contract prohibits "public statements regarding this Agreement, its terms and conditions, or the relationship of the parties without Apple's express prior written approval, which may be withheld at Apple's discretion."

Von Lohmann called that clause "particularly strange" because the license agreement itself is not confidential as defined by Apple. "So the terms are not confidential, but developers are contractually forbidden from speaking 'publicly' about them," he said.

Other parts of the license bar developers from distributing software created with the iPhone SDK, or software developer kit, using any avenue other than the App Store; bans them from jailbreaking an iPhone or helping others do so; and lets Apple yank a program from the App Store at any time.

"Apple may cease distribution of Your Licensed Application(s) and/or Licensed Application Information or revoke the digital certificate of any of Your Applications at any time," the agreements states.

Apple also can be as arbitrary as it wants in deciding what goes into the App Store, a charge developers have leveled at the company. "Apple may, in its sole discretion ... reject Your Application for distribution for any reason, even if Your Application meets the Documentation and Program Requirements," reads the contract.

"If Apple's mobile devices are the future of computing, you can expect that future to be one with more limits on innovation and competition than the PC era that came before," von Lohmann argued. "If Apple wants to be a real leader, it should be fostering innovation and competition, rather than acting as a jealous and arbitrary feudal lord. Developers should demand better terms and customers who love their iPhones should back them."

Apple did not respond to a request for comment late Tuesday.

The license agreement can be downloaded from the EFF Web site (download PDF).
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That article has nothing to do with winning the Most Admired Award 3 years in a row.

That article talks about HOW Apple controls its platform and its developers. THAT is what allows for the development and channel control in the first place. Either way, it has nothing to do with the article I posted.

Pretty simple, if EFF does not like the developers agreement, let them develop for WinMo or Blackberry.

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That article has nothing to do with winning the Most Admired Award 3 years in a row.

That article talks about HOW Apple controls its platform and its developers. THAT is what allows for the development and channel control in the first place. Either way, it has nothing to do with the article I posted.

Pretty simple, if EFF does not like the developers agreement, let them develop for WinMo or Blackberry.
Brian,

I believe the point of the article is to show that people blindly admire Apple.

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Trust me, that's not a bad thing.
Yeah, I guess if the compensation is right.

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Most admired? Not by me. We just bought the wife a top of the line Macbook Pro and the stupid thing has problems staying connected to the wireless connection, the most basic function a laptop should be able to perform. Call Apple service, they say "we don't know of any software issues of this kind." Do an internet search and there are hundreds of sites discussing this problem.

Not impressed, nor admired.... At all.
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I should say that I am not an apple hater..
Hell.. I have a serious case of iphone addiction.. I don't think I ever go 2 minutes without touching the thing..

I am just saying - it irks me how they can get constant good press for being so stick in the mud and difficult about things.. They do things that everyone would bash the hell out of MS for doing.. and when you ask why it's ok for one and wrong for the other I don't buy the standard "MS is the biggest they are practically a monopoly so it's wrong" -- It seems to me in my sheltered bubble that right is right and wrong is wrong.. There is a grey area - but it's not heavily weighed by size of the company doing the right or wrong
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I don;t think the ONLY get constant good press. In recent days you have the EFF article you posted, the current lawsuits that Apple is involved in, plus all the haters.

I just thought that it was interesting that BUSINESS is who selected Apple number one three years in a row. Heck, if you use this board as any kind of example, the haters outnumber the Apple folks what, 5 to 1, 10 to 1?

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I like to think of myself as Apple Neutral..

I must admit.. I am infatuated with them.. I have gone to the apple store a dozen times and almost walked out with one.. While at the same time it's hard to drop so much coin on a machine when I have ready access to tons of windows based machines for free..

I still want one though
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Biggest problem is price, no doubt. I keep postponing buying a new laptop since the price is so high.

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I'll never deal with apple again after the incident I had with a guy from China charging 200 dollars to my itunes account.
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Wow, with that mentality, I'd never use a credit card again. Been screwed a few times on those...

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It was more about the customer service.

I explained to them the situation, and they pretty much said this.

"There is no proof that you didn't make the purchase, take it up with your bank. Bye"


Its like, really? I don't know, I just expected more out of them.
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Yeah, I guess if the compensation is right.
No.. you get better code as an end result. Set the bar high and don't tolerate fuck ups because your one little OOPS can mean hundreds, thousands or even millions of dollars for a customer depending on who they are and what they do with your code/product.

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