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I am sad.

Can't really post this anywhere else.

Wondering if you're gonna get the axe is almost as bad as getting the axe... but you worry longer. So maybe it's worse.
I knew we were going to have layoffs today - and I knew that way more than likely I wasn't one of them. In non-union jobs you generally don't know about the layoff or being laid off till it's sprung on you.. So the fact that I knew and was told to prepare pretty much meant I was safe.

I wasn't laid off. (at least not yet)

Yet here I am helping some really great people backup and save all of their work.. It really sucks.

Can't post anything or talk about anything on any of the other usual outlets as it is still going on and I have work people mixed in where I guess I shouldn't.



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I've been dealing with that shit for the past 1.5 years now. Our company shrunk from 200 in the office to 75. I had to do the letting go for quite a few people. No fun at all.

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About the same #'s here.
I don't have to let people go myself, but pretty much everyone goes through me before they go.
The IT staff is just two of us - a director and me.

The first round or two some of the people you understand - but lately they are cutting pretty deep. I know why they have to cut - but some of the people they are cutting are the *really good* people.. Know what I mean?
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I've been dealing with that shit for the past 1.5 years now. Our company shrunk from 200 in the office to 75. I had to do the letting go for quite a few people. No fun at all.
prety much same shit over here! my studio went from 6 to 1!
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I did contract work for about 10 years before I fell into Marriott. And I'd say my average job length was 18 months due to buy-outs and lay-offs and all that BS.

Even Marriott is trimming back hugely, though it's never a worry about Marriott being bought out. I've felt the ax over my neck for the past six months, but still here...(knock on wood).

It's rough, but hang in there. Try not to have "survivors guilt" either. Just deal with it and move on.

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About the same #'s here.
I don't have to let people go myself, but pretty much everyone goes through me before they go.
The IT staff is just two of us - a director and me.

The first round or two some of the people you understand - but lately they are cutting pretty deep. I know why they have to cut - but some of the people they are cutting are the *really good* people.. Know what I mean?
It pretty much has to be done I suppose. We went through 4 phases and the 3rd phase consisted of letting some really good people go because we couldn't afford to keep them. We just had the last phase which was a 9.3% paycut all across the board.

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Year I went through 5 years of downsizing at my old job. Even being union I got no warning. Was told to bring the company truck into the office and I knew what was going to happen next. All things happen for a reason. I have a new job that I love even more (doing the same thing) and now I have vacation time and a bonus. The first full year here I made more than I ever had any where else.
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we took a 10% paycut with the first round
then a 20% hour cut (obviously 20% pay as well) with the second round.

Thing is I know the partnership here are really good people.. They are doing everything they can to keep from cutting people.. but there just isn't enough work.

They took pay cuts before they passed anything down to us.
Which coming from banking I consider very admirable.
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Yeah that sucks big time. I dealt with that a few years ago at a job and then at my last job we were being bought out and I was going to be the one creating all the severance agreements and sitting in on the meetings presenting the agreements. All my friends at work asked me to give them a heads up when it was there time even though I couldn't do that. I didn't want to go through that and quit before it came to that.

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Year I went through 5 years of downsizing at my old job. Even being union I got no warning. Was told to bring the company truck into the office and I knew what was going to happen next. All things happen for a reason. I have a new job that I love even more (doing the same thing) and now I have vacation time and a bonus. The first full year here I made more than I ever had any where else.
Similar boat here.

I make a lot less than I did at the bank..
but I really like this place - the company and the people.

I hated the bank. Mindless soul crushing tedium.. I was paid rather well to sit and sometimes watch 3 movies a night.. It was beyond boring..

Moving shit from one bucket to another and never ever ever thinkign.. Just do what your supposed to do.
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we took a 10% paycut with the first round
then a 20% hour cut (obviously 20% pay as well) with the second round.

Thing is I know the partnership here are really good people.. They are doing everything they can to keep from cutting people.. but there just isn't enough work.

They took pay cuts before they passed anything down to us.
Which coming from banking I consider very admirable.
Rare to find top people willing to bear the brunt before letting it trickle down. Sounds like they really care (and obviously showed it).. but at the end of the day, the numbers have to work in business... or you're just postponing the inevitable.

I always liked the philosophy in a business of going for broke / AKA all in... Knuckle under and create/transform into the next stage of business and go out into the market aggressively. If the company hits the mark, everyone wins... If they don't, you all go down together..

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Year I went through 5 years of downsizing at my old job. Even being union I got no warning. Was told to bring the company truck into the office and I knew what was going to happen next. All things happen for a reason. I have a new job that I love even more (doing the same thing) and now I have vacation time and a bonus. The first full year here I made more than I ever had any where else.
You guys hiring in finance or tech/finance?

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so the IT field is still hurting?


trying to find something and get out of the hell hold I'm at.


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IT field is condensing. If you are versed in how to do more with less, you can do OK... if you don't... then go hone that skillset.

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Sucks. Sorry to hear.

It's tough to want to work hard and get stuff done for the company, knowing they might just cut you and it was all for nothing...so I figure if you're sitting around wondering if you're getting the axe, you probably aren't getting much work done either, or at least not excelling.
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Sorry mate. Fwiw rail traffic is way up. It may be a sign of things turning around.
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I never had to lay someone off due to economy reasons. But even if you have to tell them to stay home, because they were either lazy or just to stupid keep their Job, it's a shitty feeling...

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Sorry mate. Fwiw rail traffic is way up. It may be a sign of things turning around.
thats all the stuff weze getting from china.

plus you can't really outsource railroad engineers, unless they have KITT.
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That sucks.
You may want to treat yourself to a few carbs tonight.
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That sucks.
You may want to treat yourself to a few carbs tonight.
No carbs. Another night of filet mignon and orange roughy. It's hell man.

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The business climate still is pretty grim. Sorry to hear you are caught up in this.

I've been on both sides of these cuts, and the only thing better about staying is that I still had a paycheck.

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I kinda know the feeling. In enterprise IT support, the specter of India always looms over my shoulder. I've learned to let it go, control the things I can (improving my skills, bringing value) and let all that's out of my control fall by the wayside. I used to be a ball of nerves about it, but now I've chilled out.
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thats all the stuff weze getting from china.

plus you can't really outsource railroad engineers, unless they have KITT.
You odviously know nothing about the railroad. In the yard, we run locomotives via remote control, eliminating the engineers job. On the main line, the railroads are fighting to get one man crews, eliminating the conductors job.
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