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Motorcycle towing question

Would putting this on my sedan civic be a really bad idea?? I know my suspension would be really taxed.

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i think you will be okay. A single motorcycle (like your 600, not a full dress harley) on a single place trailer will weigh less than 1000 pounds. a small car like your civic should be able to tow 1500 pounds. I would recommend keeping the load in the car on the lighter side.

Think about it this way, 4 people in a civic is (average person 180 pounds) about 720 pounds. If you place just yourself in the car, you are saving approx. 540 pounds. The taxing on the suspension would be no worse towing 1000 pounds as it would carrying 540.

Sorry, no you can't use one of those, you need to get an actual trailer. I didn't see the link in question.

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It's holding the weight vertically, not just pulling it horizontally.


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It's the tongue weight ane lever effect that is the issue here.
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It's the tongue weight ane lever effect that is the issue here.

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Have 3-4 of your buddies stand on the rear bumper and see how it handles the load.
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no, get a trailer

last post edited, because you said towing, not carrying.

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On your civic? Are you nuts? No fucking way man. If you want to haul motorcycles you will need a pickup truck and / or a trailer.

A civic is NOT designed to have 450 pounds attached to its unibody frame. It may seam ok for a little bit but the first big bump you hit or the first time the weight loads, unloads and then loads again it is going to twist or bend the chassis of the car.

Not to mention what hell the motor and trans is going to go through. The little mice running around in the 4 cyclinder are going die and the trans is going to upshift, downshift, upshift, downshift until it melts...

yea, put one of those on your civic...

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It requires Class III hitch. Civic is at best Class I.

Besides, civic rear suspension is way to soft to support any kind of sportbike. It will do alright
towing a small trailer though.

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+1 with what Nick said. Get a 1 place lightweight trailer. I know a guy with an Audi TT who has been doing it for years. Also around here you don't have hills or mountains so it won't beat ur car up as much.
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If you do tow a trailer with a car like that just be conscious of your trans upshifting and downshifting continuously. If it is doing that it won't last long.

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If you do tow a trailer with a car like that just be conscious of your trans upshifting and downshifting continuously. If it is doing that it won't last long.
taking it out of overdrive would help this, no?

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Okay thanks guys. Looks like I'm just going to have to get a u-haul trailer for my track day.
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taking it out of overdrive would help this, no?
I'm not sure how the trans works on a Civic. Yes, taking it out of overdrive would help but if the car has "D" or "3" i'm not sure. If it has 3 some cars will just stay in 3 and not downshift when need be and it will lug the motor at a low RPM which could be bad as well.

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Whats the point of the overdrive feature?

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I'm not sure how the trans works on a Civic. Yes, taking it out of overdrive would help but if the car has "D" or "3" i'm not sure. If it has 3 some cars will just stay in 3 and not downshift when need be and it will lug the motor at a low RPM which could be bad as well.
most every can I can think of will downshift, just not upshift farther than selected, but this is a good point. and it's easily testable before having the trailer back there.

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Whats the point of the overdrive feature?
overdrive means the transmission is outputting more RPM's then it is inputting.

A transmission has several gears, each representing a gear ratio. Overdrive refers to any ratio that is less than 1:1.

most passanger cars are not designed to tow, and overdrive is designed for cruising down the road (no rapid accelaration). Towing causes increased load on the vehicle which will result in the vehicle having to shift into and out of overdrive far too often. Shifting to often will generate excess heat, and heat will cause a transmission to fail.

Also, some in some transmissions the overdrive gear is a smaller gear (not as strong) as the regular drive gear.

It is often considered wise to shift your vehicle out of overdrive into the "drive" or 2nd highest gear, this will cause your engine to cruise at a higher RPM, but will decrease the number of shifts and hence decrease the amount of wear on your transmission.

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overdrive means the transmission is outputting more RPM's then it is inputting.

A transmission has several gears, each representing a gear ratio. Overdrive refers to any ratio that is less than 1:1.

most passanger cars are not designed to tow, and overdrive is designed for cruising down the road (no rapid accelaration). Towing causes increased load on the vehicle which will result in the vehicle having to shift into and out of overdrive far too often. Shifting to often will generate excess heat, and heat will cause a transmission to fail.

Also, some in some transmissions the overdrive gear is a smaller gear (not as strong) as the regular drive gear.

It is often considered wise to shift your vehicle out of overdrive into the "drive" or 2nd highest gear, this will cause your engine to cruise at a higher RPM, but will decrease the number of shifts and hence decrease the amount of wear on your transmission.

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If you decide to tow with the civic, read the owner's manual. It should specify whether you can use overdrive or not, and should have other tips/info on towing. I know on my old 06 HHR, it was OK to tow in overdrive unless you felt the trans hunting for gears. It only had a 1000lbs tow rating but that was enough for a small trailer and bike.

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I used to tow a light/single-rail trailer with a 4-door Nissan Sentra. It did just fine.

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