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Speeding Tickets Now Coming From Outer Space
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As though cameras on top of every traffic light weren't bad enough already: there's now a trial run of satellites that will catch you speeding, over a several-block range, from hundreds of miles up. Hope for clouds, I guess?

The SpeedSpike system is being tested at two locations in London, and works a little differently than your typical trap: cameras on the ground are assisted by satellites that are capable of calculating your average speed between two points. Which to me just means a lot of speeding, then going very, very slowly, then speeding, and so on:

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The company said in its evidence that the cameras enabled "number plate capture in all weather conditions, 24 hours a day". It also referred to the system's "low cost" and ease of installation.

The system could be used for "main road enforcement for congestion reduction and speed enforcement", and could help to "eliminate rat-runs" and cut speeds outside schools, it added. It could also reduce the need for speed humps.
So much for hoping for clouds. Maybe a stray meteor, then?

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No way that flies here....but if it does you fools with GPS are in big trouble

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No way that flies here....but if it does you fools with GPS are in big trouble
Until a state launches a satellite I do not think it can happen, inner-state commerce and such.

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I doubt that will happen here too, but Daley does like to try to model Chicago after London. BTW, just about everyone has a "GPS" nowadays with cell phones.
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I doubt that will happen here too, but Daley does like to try to model Chicago after London. BTW, just about everyone has a "GPS" nowadays with cell phones.
Not me

...and you'd have to be utilizing GPS for it to work I would think, unless some kind of mandatory uplink mechanism is put in place.

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^^My guess is this will have to be tied to a communication device. No hiding who you are then.

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No way that flies here....but if it does you fools with GPS are in big trouble
Why? GPSs don't transmit. They receive. And I don't mean the ones in your cellphone.

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Why? GPSs don't transmit. They receive. And I don't mean the ones in your cellphone.
My old company tracked 100% of its fleet vehicles via GPS. You could pull up a screen showing every vehicle, it's location and relative speed. It's not a standard service for most GPS's but is a separate option, and can be practically applied if needed.



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My old company tracked 100% of its fleet vehicles via GPS. You could pull up a screen showing every vehicle, it's location and relative speed. It's not a standard service for most GPS's but is a separate option, and can be practically applied if needed.



(and that apostrophe was for you )
i'm thinking the city of chicago needs to implement this feature. i can't tell you how many stories my buddy would tell me about him basically driving somewhere and parking all day.

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You kidding, the city workers would frickin' strike! ...it's a standard job benefit in Cook County

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all except the meter maids.

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Well they're not city employees right?

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My old company tracked 100% of its fleet vehicles via GPS. You could pull up a screen showing every vehicle, it's location and relative speed. It's not a standard service for most GPS's but is a separate option, and can be practically applied if needed.



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you realize that is completely different technology though?
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besides - the description above sounds more like LIDAR to me

A real GPS tracking device knows how fast you are going - it doesn't need to do splits
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you realize that is completely different technology though?
Boy you really are an expert on everything aren't you

They are VERY similar technologies. As a matter of fact, the only reason such a feature isn't already in place on standard everyday GPS units is two-fold:

1. No demand
2. Privacy

It's an extremely easy swap to make it trackable. Hardly completely different technology

...oh, some of them already have it inherent for theft purposes. FYI.

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Boy you really are an expert on everything aren't you

They are VERY similar technologies. As a matter of fact, the only reason such a feature isn't already in place on standard everyday GPS units is two-fold:

1. No demand
2. Privacy

It's an extremely easy swap to make it trackable. Hardly completely different technology

...oh, some of them already have it inherent for theft purposes. FYI.
so passive and active are the same thing?

GPS that send tracking info do it one of two ways

over cellular or with an external antenna to broadcast (takes more power to send up to the stars than it does to listen to them)

If you have a GPS that goes both ways chances are you know it. They cost a lot more and usually have a monthly bill (that is unless your nanny company (or wife) stuck one on your car without you knowing)

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Boy you really are an expert on everything aren't you

They are VERY similar technologies. As a matter of fact, the only reason such a feature isn't already in place on standard everyday GPS units is two-fold:

1. No demand
2. Privacy

It's an extremely easy swap to make it trackable. Hardly completely different technology

...oh, some of them already have it inherent for theft purposes. FYI.
They are different...in terms of technology and price.

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Three Types of GPS Tracking Units

GPS tracking units are divided into three categories, based on the techniques of data logging and retrieval.
Data Loggers

A GPS data logger logs the position of the object at regular intervals and stores the information in flash-based memory. Data on the memory can be retrieved or transferred to other stores with the help of available USB connectivity. Such devices are suitable for long distance hikers and cycling enthusiasts, who can make use of the logging facility to chalk out future routes to be followed.
Data Pushers

The GPS data pushers are popular for security purposes. This unit sends data from the device to a central database at regular intervals, updating information on location, direction, speed and distance.

Such devices are suited for monitoring fleets of trucks and delivery vehicles. Vehicles can be located instantly in order to carry out effective supervision and prevent theft.

Since it is easy to track movements of individuals or vehicles carrying valuable items, GPS data pushers are often used for spying.
Data Pullers

A GPS data puller allows the user to ‘pull’ data from the receiver as frequently as needed. The device remains on at all times. Though it is not as commonly used as the pusher device, it is particularly useful for tracing stolen goods. A mobile phone with integrated GPS can reply to an SMS from the data puller. This technology finds use in situations where tracking is required to be done only rarely.

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I understand they are *different*, what I'm saying is that there's really not *much* difference between the two and it's a VERY easy transition for the manufacturers. As a matter of fact, like I mentioned, some have begun doing it anyways to track stolen units!

Sheesh...


..and you guys do know that most vehicles have an inherent "black box" of sorts, that many worry could easily be fitted with tracking technology. Carry on

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i'm thinking the city of chicago needs to implement this feature. i can't tell you how many stories my buddy would tell me about him basically driving somewhere and parking all day.
Or guys parking their trucks and hopping in their bosses landscape company's truck and doing cash work for them during the day while pulling a water commission check too...

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I understand they are *different*, what I'm saying is that there's really not *much* difference between the two and it's a VERY easy transition for the manufacturers. As a matter of fact, like I mentioned, some have begun doing it anyways to track stolen units!

Sheesh...


..and you guys do know that most vehicles have an inherent "black box" of sorts, that many worry could easily be fitted with tracking technology. Carry on
Its the difference between a pager and a cell phone.
Big difference.

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I understand they are *different*, what I'm saying is that there's really not *much* difference between the two and it's a VERY easy transition for the manufacturers. As a matter of fact, like I mentioned, some have begun doing it anyways to track stolen units!

Sheesh...


..and you guys do know that most vehicles have an inherent "black box" of sorts, that many worry could easily be fitted with tracking technology. Carry on

there are a dozen ways to skin that cat and most of it is already there
but what this sat system seems to be doing does not require anything in you car. It's doing the same thing those planes do while flying around - i think I said LIDAR earlier - that's wrong I believe the acronym is VASCAR and it's really accurate (bet you didn't know bone stock liter twins making about 115hp with a slip on could break 200mph did you?)

There is a big difference in the technology - and not that I sell GPS's or anything but the tech stuff I know more about than the govt conspiracy stuff
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Its the difference between a pager and a cell phone. THAT is a huge difference.
it's like one of them new fangled skytel 2 way pagers!
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Man you guys have to be kidding me. You're way out-thinking yourselves here. Step back a moment and think about what it would take to go from A-B with a standard GPS.



I'm done with this nonsense.........

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Man you guys have to be kidding me. You're way out-thinking yourselves here. Step back a moment and think about what it would take to go from A-B with a standard GPS.



I'm done with this nonsense.........
a broadcast antenna and or a GPS modem?
I did
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Hello Onstar... DOH!

It's not too hard to write something to track the video data (gps or not) and spot the fast moving potential targets worth snagging.... they can probably already read the vin bar code off the front dash anyway with what's already in orbit

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