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A state judge on Friday signed a warrant ordering that Ronnie Lee Gardner be put to death on June 18, setting the stage for Utah's first execution in more than a decade.

The condemned man chose firing squad over lethal injection as the way he will die. Department of Corrections officials will choose the time of the execution, which will take place at the Utah State Prison in Draper.

Third District Judge Robin Reese signed the warrant, saying, "The defendant has exhausted all his legal remedies."

"It's my conclusion not to second-guess the courts or undertake an independent review," he said.

Reese then said he assumed Gardner would want the method of execution he had chosen previously, to which Gardner, who appeared in court shackled and under heavy guard, said, "I would like the firing squad, please."

Defense attorney Andrew Parnes said he would appeal to the Utah Supreme Court on Gardner's behalf. Gardner could also ask the Board of Pardons and Parole to reduce his sentence to life in prison, a request that must be made by May 4.

The board can temporarily stop an execution to "fully hear" a commutation request, but attorneys for the state have said they believe there will be enough time for a hearing without a delay. At a hearing, witnesses testify for or against a life sentence. Neither side is allowed to cross-examine the other party's witnesses, but the five board members can question them.

Gardner had filed a motion earlier in the week asking to participate in Friday's hearing by phone, saying he has rheumatoid arthritis and suffers severe pain from being cuffed the entire time he is outside prison. But Reese ruled that the law required Gardner's attendance.

Now 49, Gardner has spent more than half his life behind bars, including time as a juvenile. He is under a death sentence for the fatal shooting of attorney Michael Burdell during an April 2, 1985, escape attempt from a downtown Salt Lake City courthouse.

A 3rd District Court jury convicted Gardner of murder and he was given a death sentence in November 1985, which started years of appeals. Gardner periodically asked judges to allow him to die, either saying he was frustrated with delays in the case or racked with pain from rheumatoid arthritis, but then continued to challenge his sentence in both state and federal courts.

U.S. District Judge Tena Campbell in 2007 rejected all claims in an appeal by Gardner, including his assertion that his trial and appeal lawyers were ineffective because they failed to show he never meant to kill his victim. The judge said there was "overwhelming evidence" that Gardner intended to shoot Burdell.

Gardner appealed to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which upheld Campbell's decision last year. He asked for a review of the 10th Circuit ruling by the Supreme Court, which rejected his petition on March 8. The state Attorney General's Office then asked for the death warrant.

Under state law and Administrative Code rules, the DOC officials will select five people, plus an alternate and a team leader, for a firing squad. All members must be certified peace officers.

Members of the news media will not have a view of the executioners, and the shooters' identities will not be revealed.

The last inmate to die in Utah by firing squad was John Albert Taylor, who raped and murdered 11-year-old Charla King. On Jan. 26, 1996, he was hooded and strapped to a chair as five shooters took aim at a cloth target taped over his heart. Four executioners fired live rounds, while one weapon had a blank.

Taylor said he chose the firing squad over lethal injection to embarrass Utah, the only state with that option.

The last inmate executed in Utah was Joseph Mitchell Parsons, who was strapped on a gurney on Oct. 15, 1999, and pronounced dead about two minutes after being administered a lethal dose of drugs. Parsons was put to death for murdering Richard Lynn Ernest, a concrete laborer from Loma Linda, Calif., who had given him a ride.

Parsons was the sixth death-row inmate to be executed in Utah since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1976.

The first in Utah and the nation to be put to death after reinstatement was Gary Gilmore on Jan. 17, 1977, for the murder of Bennie Bushnell, a motel manager in Provo. Gilmore chose the firing squad over hanging.

Utah's death row has 10 inmates, including Gardner. All are men.

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My only problem with this is how long the whole process is taking. He was given his sentence 25 years ago and is still alive? The dude is asking to die, just take him out back and put a bullet in his head already.

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geez 25 years of appeals
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Letting him live out the rest of his life in prison is a bigger punishment than executing him.

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that is why there is the debate that the death penalty is cheaper than life in prison.

Imagine being the person pulling 1 of the triggers? Gotta be a hardassed mofo.

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that is why there is the debate that the death penalty is cheaper than life in prison.

Imagine being the person pulling 1 of the triggers? Gotta be a hardassed mofo.
how about letting the family members of the slain individual pull the trigger? OK with that?

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how about letting the family members of the slain individual pull the trigger? OK with that?
I'd be OK with that.

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The only reason why the death penalty is more expensive is because of appeals and lawyer/court fees.

A bullet costs less than 30 seconds of a lawyer's fee.

Lethal injection has to cost less than what it costs to house this scumbag.

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Letting him live out the rest of his life in prison is a bigger punishment than executing him.
And also a excellent example of waisted tax dollars!

I to this day love the good ole' running texas phrase of

"You kill somebody in texas, and we will kill you back!"

More scumbags need the death sentence, but in todays day and age shit takes forever or the nonsense gets passed around the judicial system for 25 YEARS before some judge with a pair is PRO execution and pulls the damn trigger!

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how about letting the family members of the slain individual pull the trigger? OK with that?
No, I'm not. Justice and Retribution are not the same thing.

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I know they're not the same - but feel both are appropriate when you murder people.

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And also a excellent example of waisted tax dollars!

I to this day love the good ole' running texas phrase of

"You kill somebody in texas, and we will kill you back!"

More scumbags need the death sentence, but in todays day and age shit takes forever or the nonsense gets passed around the judicial system for 25 YEARS before some judge with a pair is PRO execution and pulls the damn trigger!
Oh I agree. Tax dollars aside though, letting this man rot in prison is a much harsher punishment than executing him. He is BEGGING them to kill him so he doesn't have to go through the misery of living out the rest of his life in a jail cell. Executing him would be giving him a way out.

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Oh I agree. Tax dollars aside though, letting this man rot in prison is a much harsher punishment than executing him. He is BEGGING them to kill him so he doesn't have to go through the misery of living out the rest of his life in a jail cell. Executing him would be giving him a way out.
I do agree on that note!

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Oh I agree. Tax dollars aside though, letting this man rot in prison is a much harsher punishment than executing him. He is BEGGING them to kill him so he doesn't have to go through the misery of living out the rest of his life in a jail cell. Executing him would be giving him a way out.
While I agree with your thought process, what does leaving him in jail for life really do? So this guy lives in misery for the rest of his life in prison. Sure it will suck for him, but the outcome is the same, he dies in the hands of the USA. I'd rather just kill him now and free up the space/money.

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While I agree with your thought process, what does leaving him in jail for life really do? So this guy lives in misery for the rest of his life in prison. Sure it will suck for him, but the outcome is the same, he dies in the hands of the USA. I'd rather just kill him now and free up the space/money.
Having to live with himself for doing what he did. If not that, just knowing that he will die in prison would probably kill him in the inside. That and having to deal with prison life. I see your point though and I agree. But what if it were a murder suicide? Would there be any justice in him killing himself after he murder whoever he murdered?

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Having to live with himself for doing what he did. If not that, just knowing that he will die in prison would probably kill him in the inside. That and having to deal with prison life. I see your point though and I agree. But what if it were a murder suicide? Would there be any justice in him killing himself after he murder whoever he murdered?
I guess I just have the opinion that our jails shouldn't be used as a storage facility, more as a correctional facility.

If the person in question isn't going to be able to go back into society and not commit shit again, just put a bullet in their head and get it over with. We have far to many problems in this country to be worrying about the lives of repeat murders or rapists or child molesters or etc.

Now, I know this sounds great when typed and would be very difficult to put into the works in real life, which sucks.

If it were a murder suicide, I guess the justice is knowing that the murderer can no longer harm any one else.

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I guess I just have the opinion that our jails shouldn't be used as a storage facility, more as a correctional facility.

If the person in question isn't going to be able to go back into society and not commit shit again, just put a bullet in their head and get it over with. We have far to many problems in this country to be worrying about the lives of repeat murders or rapists or child molesters or etc.

Now, I know this sounds great when typed and would be very difficult to put into the works in real life, which sucks.

If it were a murder suicide, I guess the justice is knowing that the murderer can no longer harm any one else.
True dat. The thing is, there isn't a whole of 'correcting' going on in these facilities. A lot of the times, and I hear this a lot, the people that go in usually go out a lot worse. Its not just murderers, rapists, etc., but a lot of dope dealers, thieves, what have you that go in and learn a new 'skill' if you will. Once they get out, they use what they learned in prison and use it out in the street.

Also, once they are in the system, they are IN the system. Meaning that once they are out, the law is constantly finding a reason to put them back in. A lot of these guys get out of jail hoping for a better life but they can't find work because nobody will hire them. So you have no job and you have a mouth(s) to feed, then you go back to what you know. Then they end up back in prison. Not for murder, rape, or molestation, but for some other crime. I think we can both agree that we can justify execution for the most heinous of crimes. But I don't think we can justify it for drug dealers, thieves, white collar criminals, etc.

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The one and only reason the nonsensical insinuation that execution is more expensive than life sentences...the knock-down drag out appeals process.

100 yrs ago, this dude would have been executed 4 days after the trial.

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You gotta love a state that still has the firing squad as an option for ending it. Good on ya Utah. But what's this shit with 4 guys having a live round and 1 with a blank? For the officers' conscience? and the cloth target over his heart, really? shame it's taken 25 years, wonder what the total is on court costs, lawyers fees, etc.?

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The one and only reason the nonsensical insinuation that execution is more expensive than life sentences...the knock-down drag out appeals process.

100 yrs ago, this dude would have been executed 4 days after the trial.
They also would've executed those later found to be innocent, too. Whoops.

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My grandfather was on the giving end of a few firing squads during WWII. I'd hardly call him a hardass nor did it bother him.
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They also would've executed those later found to be innocent, too. Whoops.
One innocent life is worth 1000 of these guys lives. If we have to let them appeal from now until eternity so one innocent person isn't put to death I'm good with that, but after those appeals run out kill the SOB!

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They also would've executed those later found to be innocent, too. Whoops.
Yeah I know, but some middle ground would be pretty sweet. ...wait, I'm talking to a lawyer

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