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Arizona's immigrant law signed today

Boy this is going to turn to a world of [email protected] really fast then again on the other hand

Now we cry that this isnt right because one might have to carry papers to prove they are a citizens which is a practice in every country outside the US, Or the fact we spend billions on taking care of them and to top it off tonoho az is the leading path for illegals who smuggle drugs into the US,.

I can see no good coming from this

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PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona signed the toughest illegal immigration bill in the country into law on Friday, aimed at identifying, prosecuting and deporting illegal immigrants. The governor’s move unleashed immediate protests and reignited the divisive battle over immigration reform nationally.
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President Obama at the naturalization ceremony for 24 active duty service members at the White House on Friday.

Even before she signed the bill at a 4:30 p.m. news conference here, President Obama strongly criticized it.

Speaking at a naturalization ceremony for 24 active-duty service members in the Rose Garden, he called for a federal overhaul of immigration laws — an overhaul that Congressional leaders signaled they were preparing to take up soon.

Saying the failure of officials in Washington to act on immigration would open the door to “irresponsibility by others,” he said the Arizona bill threatened “to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and our communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe.”

The law, which opponents and critics alike said was the broadest and strictest immigration measure in the country in generations, would make the failure to carry immigration documents a crime. It would also give the police broad power to detain anyone suspected of being in the country illegally. Opponents have decried it as an open invitation for harassment and discrimination against Hispanics regardless of their citizenship status.

The political debate leading up to Governor Brewer’s decision, and Mr. Obama’s criticism of the law — presidents very rarely weigh in on state legislation — underscored the power of the immigration debate in states along the Mexican border. It presaged the polarizing arguments that await the president and Congress as they take up the issue nationally.

Governor Brewer said the law “represents another tool for our state to use as we work to solve a crisis we did not create and the federal government has refused to fix.”

The law would take effect 90 days after the legislative session ends, meaning by August. Court challenges are expected immediately.

Hispanics, not long ago courted by the Republican Party as a swing voting bloc, in particular railed against the law as a recipe for racial and ethnic profiling. “Governor Brewer caved to the radical fringe,” said a statement by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, predicting that the law would create “a spiral of pervasive fear, community distrust, increased crime and costly litigation, with nationwide repercussions.”

The Catholic archbishop of Los Angeles called the authorities’ ability to demand documents Nazism. While police demands of documents are common on subways, highways and in public places in some countries, including France, Arizona is the first state to demand that immigrants meet federal requirements to carry identity documents legitimizing their presence on American soil.

Governor Brewer acknowledged critics’ concerns but sided with arguments from the law’s sponsors that it provides an indispensable tool for the police in a border state that is a leading magnet of illegal immigration.

She said that racial profiling would not be tolerated, adding, “We have to trust our law enforcement.”

President George W. Bush had attempted comprehensive reform but failed when his own party split over the issue. Once again, Republicans facing primary challenges from the right, including Governor Brewer and Sen. John McCain of Arizona, have come under tremendous pressure to support the Arizona law, known as SB 1070.

Mr. McCain, locked in a competitive primary with a challenger campaigning on immigration, only came out in support of the law hours before the State Senate passed it Monday afternoon. Governor Brewer, even after the Senate had passed the bill, had been silent on whether she would sign it. Though she was widely expected to, given her primary challenge, she refused to give her position on it even at a dinner on Thursday for a Hispanic social service organization, Chicanos Por La Causa, where several audience members called out “Veto!”

Among other things, the Arizona measure is an extraordinary rebuke to Janet Napolitano, who had vetoed similar legislation repeatedly as a Democratic governor before she was appointed homeland security secretary by Mr. Obama. Her successor, Governor Brewer, is a Republican.

The law opened a deep fissure in Arizona, with a majority of the thousands of callers to the governor’s office urging her to reject the law.

In the days leading up to Governor Brewer’s decision, Representative Raúl M. Grijalva, a Democrat, called for a convention boycott of his state.

Sponsored by Russell Pearce, a state senator and a firebrand on immigration issues, SB 1070 has several provisions.

It requires police officers “when practicable” to detain people they reasonably suspect are in the country without authorization and to verify their status with federal officials, unless doing so would hinder an investigation or emergency medical treatment.

It also makes it a state crime, a misdemeanor, to not carry immigration papers. It also allows people to sue local governments or agencies if they believe federal or state immigration law is not being enforced.

States across the country have proposed or enacted hundreds of bills addressing immigration since 2007, the last time a federal effort to reform immigration law collapsed. Last year, there were a record number of laws enacted (222) and resolutions (131) in 48 states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The prospect of plunging into a national immigration debate this year is being increasingly talked about on Capitol Hill, spurred in part by recent statements by Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, that he intends to bring legislation to the floor of the Senate sometime after Memorial Day.

Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, has been meeting with lawmakers and interest groups to try to draft a measure in concert with Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina.

But the outlook is mixed. While an immigration debate could help energize Hispanic voters and provide political benefits to embattled Democrats who are seeking re-election in November — like Mr. Reid — it could also energize conservative voters. The issue makes many House and Senate Democrats nervous.

It could also take time and attention from other Democratic priorities, including an energy measure that Speaker Nancy Pelosi has described as her flagship issue.

Mr. Reid declined on Thursday to say that immigration would take precedence over an energy measure, which he has pledged to finish this year. But he called immigration an imperative that needed attention: “The system is broken,” he said.

He noted that in addition to energy and immigration, the Senate would also be dealing with confirmation proceedings this summer for a Supreme Court nominee.

Ms. Pelosi and Representative Steny H. Hoyer, Democrat of Maryland and the majority leader, have said in recent days that the House would be willing to take up immigration policy only if the Senate produces a bill first; otherwise they are not inclined to move ahead.

“If the Senate is ready with an immigration bill, we don’t want anybody holding it up for any reason, and we’d be pleased to welcome it to the House,” Ms. Pelosi said Thursday. “Send it to us.”

Helene Cooper and Carl Hulse contributed reporting from Washington.

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .

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I don't know whether this is the best plan of action, but I'm definitely glad they're not just sitting around doing nothing.
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Why would it turn into a world of shit? There would not be a problem if all the illegals stayed put and/or crossed legally and registered as at least tried to become citizens.
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Why would it turn into a world of shit? There would not be a problem if all the illegals stayed put and/or crossed legally and registered as at least tried to become citizens.
Because nowadays anytime anybody does something the least bit controversial, people get all uppity about it
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Because nowadays anytime anybody does something the least bit controversial, people get all uppity about it
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As it has already started the feds say hey you make a law like this without consulting us and indirectly saying we are not doing enough now we have to change more immigration laws.

Of course the president is in a uproar about it now and screaming like a little girl and the religious groups are now saying its a sin blah blah blah

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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arnold swchaenager said it himself. Cawifornia is going broke. They want us to take care of illegals but the federal gov doesn't give us shiet fo money.
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The only way this works is by police profiling, all of the illegal AND legal Mexicans are about to get shit on in that state.
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arnold swchaenager said it himself. Cawifornia is going broke. They want us to take care of illegals but the federal gov doesn't give us shiet fo money.
You want the federal gov give your money to shit bags who came here illegally?

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arnold is saying, its a federal problem but hes stuck taking care of it. So why does he have to pay for it.


federal government build a wall, and change illegal immigration law. no more free this or that.
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The only way this works is by police profiling, all of the illegal AND legal Mexicans are about to get shit on in that state.
Again, WHY IS PROFILING A PROBLEM!? This type of crap just irritates the shit out of me. If we're in Arizona, and we're looking for illegal aliens, there's a pretty damn good chance said illegal aliens ARE FROM MEXICO!!

This isn't rocket science, it's police work...profiling is used all of the time but it only seems to be a problem when it's aligned with a race, and other than white. Black hair, blue eyes, red car, 6'-2", a beard, an eye patch and a certain race...all things that can be utilized in good common sense to fight certain crimes, find certain criminals and protect certain citizens. Obviously it's an issue if it's abused or used improperly, but I don't really see that as being the case in that particular state.

Sheesh...how would you like the coppers to fight crime.......or are you one of these folks that insists this isn't a crime???? It's a major problem there, do you not agree? Texas is next btw, so get your talking points ready

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Again, WHY IS PROFILING A PROBLEM!? This type of crap just irritates the shit out of me. If we're in Arizona, and we're looking for illegal aliens, there's a pretty damn good chance said illegal aliens ARE FROM MEXICO!!

This isn't rocket science, it's police work...profiling is used all of the time but it only seems to be a problem when it's aligned with a race, and other than white. Black hair, blue eyes, red car, 6'-2", a beard, an eye patch and a certain race...all things that can be utilized in good common sense to fight certain crimes, find certain criminals and protect certain citizens.

Sheesh...how would you like the coppers to fight crime.......or are you one of these folks that insists this isn't a crime???? It's a major problem there, do you not agree? Texas is next btw, so get your talking points ready
cerkMX you just profiled shame on you

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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Of course he does. he's a card carrying san fran lib




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Why would it turn into a world of shit? There would not be a problem if all the illegals stayed put and/or crossed legally and registered as at least tried to become citizens.
I recently became a US citizen, I was really glad to get rid of my immigration card. I did everything legal. Now this? So now I have to prove I'm a US citizen Why don't they tattoo us like they did the Jews in Nazi Germany. That is why the world turns to shit. What happens if your hanging with your hommies and the police, decided to check your papers? And you left them in your other pants? Guess you would enjoy being hauled off to some detention camp, until your citizenship can be proved. These are YOUR rights they are fucking with, someone fought hard for them, and your letting people take them away.

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Because nowadays anytime anybody does something the least bit controversial, people get all uppity about it
They are fooling with our rights and you are to blind to see it.

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The only way this works is by police profiling, all of the illegal AND legal Mexicans are about to get shit on in that state.
or anyone the police determine they would like to harass on any given day

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I recently became a US citizen, What happens if your hanging with your hommies and the police, decided to check your papers? And you left them in your other pants?

Just the same way you would do in any other country when they ask for your passport. Hand them your DL cause you cant get one in AZ without proving your legal. Are you saying your comfortable throwing money, jobs away to the illegals that you support through taxes and everything else?

Doesnt affect my rights in any way it affects the illegals.

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .

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The only way this works is by police profiling, all of the illegal AND legal Mexicans are about to get shit on in that state.
How would they get shit on? Pretty fuggin simple - Hey sanchito can i see your ID? Why sure officer heres my drivers license - Officer looks at license, says thank you sanchito have a nice day and goes on his way! What is so fukin difficult to understand with this one? do you leave your house without ID? Do you drive without id?

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I recently became a US citizen, I was really glad to get rid of my immigration card. I did everything legal. Now this? So now I have to prove I'm a US citizen Why don't they tattoo us like they did the Jews in Nazi Germany. That is why the world turns to shit. What happens if your hanging with your hommies and the police, decided to check your papers? And you left them in your other pants? Guess you would enjoy being hauled off to some detention camp, until your citizenship can be proved. These are YOUR rights they are fucking with, someone fought hard for them, and your letting people take them away.
With your attitude maybe we should just revoke your citizenship< if you dont like it you can leave and go back to whatever GREAT COUNTRY YOU CAME FROM!
Do you suffer from entitlement syndrome already?
What county are you from?
Did they expect you to carry ID in your home country?
Why did you come here?
Was it cause your homeland was some great utopia?
Why didnt you just stay in your country?
Did you become a citizen here cause it provides more opportunities than your home country?
WHen you drive do you drive without your license?
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I recently became a US citizen, I was really glad to get rid of my immigration card. I did everything legal. Now this? So now I have to prove I'm a US citizen Why don't they tattoo us like they did the Jews in Nazi Germany. That is why the world turns to shit. What happens if your hanging with your hommies and the police, decided to check your papers? And you left them in your other pants? Guess you would enjoy being hauled off to some detention camp, until your citizenship can be proved.
really? so how much time and money did you spend becomming a citizen?
you dont have an issue with some jackass cutting in front of you pushing you out of the way, taking the things you are entitled to and disrespecting all the rules that you obeyed?

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These are YOUR rights they are fucking with, someone fought hard for them, and your letting people take them away.
its going to be someone who did not get those rights because they are not a legal citizen in this country nor attempting to become one.

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or anyone the police determine they would like to harass on any given day
the percentage of an officer being wrong on who he, "harasses" is ridiculously low. The officers I know and have worked with know what they are doing and whats going on as they have seen more than you have with different eyes to recognize the right things.




I applaud this bill. its on the border and its the first state that illegals go thru to infect the rest of the country.
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I think we covered this in another thread.

You finger print all the illegals you catch. We have mobile finger print scanners now, the technology exists. You want to check someone and they don't have an ID, check their fingerprints.

We already have a SSN system in place. Just need to link a photo and fingerprint (and retinal print would be nice) into a massive digital system. No more identity theft unless someone can hack the system. Last 4 digits of your SSN and name pull up a finger print and photo ID. Simple 100% proof you are who you say you are.
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Hey Rick, exactly why is it a problem to prove that you're here legally, particularly in a State wrought with crime due precisely to illegal immigration across its boarders??

Very easy to complain about it from afar...and I come from a family of immigrants

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I think we covered this in another thread.

You finger print all the illegals you catch. We have mobile finger print scanners now, the technology exists. You want to check someone and they don't have an ID, check their fingerprints.

We already have a SSN system in place. Just need to link a photo and fingerprint (and retinal print would be nice) into a massive digital system. No more identity theft unless someone can hack the system. Last 4 digits of your SSN and name pull up a finger print and photo ID. Simple 100% proof you are who you say you are.

I agree with this, granted its a bit more big brother somewhat but its not that hard to find your genetics for other tests etc. I would guess all the illegals would then have, "work related injuries" preventing them from having finger prints, so then we do need to ask "wheres your card" for proof.




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These guys are obviously legal and the police are giving them a hard time.





cops are such jerks, its just 28 guys that just wanted to go to waffle house.
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