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crap!!! car is losing all electrical power while driving (intermittent/brief)

So..i've noticed that randomly the battery is found dead (3 times now), and now today while driving the car will lose all electrical power for a second or two, and then it will be fine..(happened at least 6 times within a few miles on the highway)

I'm assuming that there's a short in the electrical system, not sure where to look first though...


One thing to note, I was backing out of a driveway with a boulder right next to it, and turned into it (suuuuucks), bent the driver's front fender in, as well as the bumper. Maybe this could be the cause??


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I'm no expert but I've had this happen before on my old hoopty. It was one of the battery cables doing it. Clean off the terminals with diet coke and make sure the cables are attached tightly.

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Alternator or terminal connections on the battery.

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Gotta get the obvious out of the way. Did you check the connections at the battery?

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Loose connection ... check the alternator - could be bad.
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Yep, you've knocked something loose. Have you even looked under the hood to see?

What were you doing that made you in such a hurry to not look?

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yeah, checked connections..

i'll clean up the positive terminal as it had a little bit of corrosion..but that still doesn't explain the battery randomly dying overnight..

I personally doubt it's the alternator, (i'll make sure the connection is good on that, now that I think of it..) If it was bad, I don't think the car would keep running after everything died (seeing as battery would have no juice at that point to keep running the engine). BTW, it's not a slow loss of electrical power, just everything shutting off at once (instrument panel, cd player, etc)


gaawwwd I hope it's just a loose connection at the alternator..

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alright just re-checked...all connections are good

can't replicate it by pulling either the positive or negative off the battery. (which makes sense I s'pose, as alternator is running)

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Yep, you've knocked something loose. Have you even looked under the hood to see?

What were you doing that made you in such a hurry to not look?
I had to move my car all the way over in a friends driveway to let their parents in the garage, and didn't notice the giant rock sitting 3" off the driveway since it was dark...then when I went to the store later that night I cut the wheel early not even remembering anything was there. sucks.

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I had that happen in a Ford Taurus. It was a transmission range sensor. The sensor was saying the car was off, all power control stuff would just die. Simple fix but was a bitch to track down.

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I had that happen in a Ford Taurus. It was a transmission range sensor.

I suppose I should let everyone know that it's a '00 accord manual trans, might help diagnose mebbe.


I'm assuming you had to bring it in somewhere for them to find it? I haaate messing with electrical sometimes..Thinking i'll pull the bumper/fender off tomorrow morning and see if anything is pinched/cut and bouncing off the frame

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One thing to note, I was backing out of a driveway with a boulder right next to it, and turned into it (suuuuucks), bent the driver's front fender in, as well as the bumper. Maybe this could be the cause??
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I'm no expert but I've had this happen before on my old hoopty. It was one of the battery cables doing it. Clean off the terminals with diet coke and make sure the cables are attached tightly.
diet coke? I thought that was just for abortions in 3rd world countries

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diet coke? I thought that was just for abortions in 3rd world countries
Whoaaaa! You didn't just say that?

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I will repeat what others have said, and you may have cleaned them, but it sounds textbook of a bad battery connection. You may just need a new battery or new screw in terminals. You can also use baking soda and water mixed as a cleaner. You need to make a base solution to counteract the acid build up.

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how do you know that the battery was dead? maybe it was just a bad connection? could be a corroded cable that you can't see. could be a bad ground end where it bolts to the body/frame.

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Replace the battery. Just for shits and giggles. Could have a piece of corrosion knocked off a plate and intermittantly shorting cells.
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you also could have a bad ignition switch. or something awry in the main fuse panel.

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I suppose I should let everyone know that it's a '00 accord manual trans, might help diagnose mebbe.


I'm assuming you had to bring it in somewhere for them to find it? I haaate messing with electrical sometimes..Thinking i'll pull the bumper/fender off tomorrow morning and see if anything is pinched/cut and bouncing off the frame
You need an ignition switch but you have 2 separate problems. The dieing while driving is going to be a failed ignition switch, your car should have been covered under the recall. If it was it can be replaced again under warranty. The dieing overnight is a parasitic draw problem if you are sure the battery is going dead and it's not that the starter is just failing? For whatever reason the M/T cars seem to have starters fail more often than the A/T cars. Shoot me your VIN and I can check and see if your car was included in the recall but it likely was.

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Note: there is a chance you could need a main relay but normally those only act up once you get up to 75-80 degree temps during the day.
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can your battery move around at all in its tray? check your negative battery cable for continuity while flexing it

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You need an ignition switch but you have 2 separate problems. The dieing while driving is going to be a failed ignition switch, your car should have been covered under the recall. If it was it can be replaced again under warranty. The dieing overnight is a parasitic draw problem if you are sure the battery is going dead and it's not that the starter is just failing? For whatever reason the M/T cars seem to have starters fail more often than the A/T cars. Shoot me your VIN and I can check and see if your car was included in the recall but it likely was.

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Note: there is a chance you could need a main relay but normally those only act up once you get up to 75-80 degree temps during the day.
could the ignition switch prob. draw from the battery too? Not a starter, when its dead, its completely dead (need to re-enter code into radio)

i'll shoot ya a pm, thanks mang.

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could the ignition switch prob. draw from the battery too? Not a starter, when its dead, its completely dead (need to re-enter code into radio)

i'll shoot ya a pm, thanks mang.
no, the ignition switches just open up, they don't short internally. Do you have an aftermarket alarm or any other aftermarket devices installed on the vehicle?

you have a PM.

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no, the ignition switches just open up, they don't short internally. Do you have an aftermarket alarm or any other aftermarket devices installed on the vehicle?

you have a PM.
dang. nothing aftermarket on it..

now that I think on it....the fender bent in enough to break my turn signal bulb, and is pushing it in to the point where I can't install a new one without trying to straighten the fender or replace..think the draw issue could be from the turn signal shorting if/where it's touching the fender? (i guess I'll find out when I do pull the parts off...just trying to be optimistic in finding the problem easier )

Btw, my car *does* have the side airbag light turn on sporadically (hasn't happened lately though) and usually turns off after 30 seconds. Is that what you were talking about regarding the recall on my car? Hate seeing lights pop up on the instrument panel

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dang. nothing aftermarket on it..

now that I think on it....the fender bent in enough to break my turn signal bulb, and is pushing it in to the point where I can't install a new one without trying to straighten the fender or replace..think the draw issue could be from the turn signal shorting if/where it's touching the fender? (i guess I'll find out when I do pull the parts off...just trying to be optimistic in finding the problem easier )

Btw, my car *does* have the side airbag light turn on sporadically (hasn't happened lately though) and usually turns off after 30 seconds. Is that what you were talking about regarding the recall on my car? Hate seeing lights pop up on the instrument panel
If you place something on the seat which is only puts weight on the lower portion or is positioned in a way that it obstructs the side airbag then the "Side Airbag" light will come on to let the driver know it's being deactivated due to an obstructed deployment path/improper passenger position. The warranty extension covers the control unit for that system and normally are replaced due to the SRS warning light coming on and staying on. It is a possibility there is something wrong but generally it's from people putting something on the seat. As for the turn signal, check to see if there's any other wiring that's damaged in there. If you had a direct short to ground you'd end up with blown fuses or an electrical fire. Make sure all the ground straps are attached securely to the engine/body and go from there. Based on what you are describing I am wondering if you have a poor ground that is acting up from time to time.
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