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Another reason to hate Apple

Apple spurred police in lost iPhone probe

Redwood City, California (CNET) -- Apple pressed local police to investigate the loss of a next-generation iPhone a day after Gizmodo published photographs, telling investigators that the prototype was so valuable, a price could not be placed on it, according to court documents made public Friday.

In response to arguments made by CNET and other media organizations, a San Mateo judge unsealed documents that provide a detailed glimpse into an April 20 meeting between Apple lawyers and executives, and law enforcement.

They also highlight a madcap dash for evidence that evening that led a police detective to a gas station, a church, and a bush in Redwood City where a thumb drive and a 1GB Lexar Media compact flash card were allegedly hidden.

During the meeting with law enforcement, Apple attorney George Riley told detectives that the publication of evidence of the device by Gizmodo--part of Gawker Media--was immensely damaging.

"People that would have otherwise purchased a currently existing Apple product would wait for the next item to be released, thereby hurting overall sales and negatively effecting Apple's earnings," Riley said, according to an affidavit prepared by a police detective made public on Friday.

Apple CEO Steve Jobs personally contacted Gizmodo editor Brian Lam to request the prototype's return the day the story was published on April 19, but Lam refused to do so, unless the company provided "confirmation that it is real, from Apple, officially," according to an e-mail message that was also made public.

"Right now, we have nothing to lose," Lam wrote. "The thing is, Apple PR has been cold to us lately. It affected my ability to do my job right at iPad launch. So we had to go outside and find our stories like this one, very aggressively." (Gawker Media had offered to pay anyone who gave it or lent it an Apple prototype.)

Brian Hogan, a 21-year-old Redwood City, Calif., resident, found the phone in a bar. But the affidavit prepared by detective Matthew Broad in the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office reveals that an important tip came when Hogan's roommate, Katherine Martinson, called police on April 21 to let them know that he had examined it.

Hogan told her that Gizmodo had offered him $10,000 for the phone, and showed her a camera box containing $5,000 in $100 bills, according to the affidavit. It says: "Martinson said Hogan also told her that he will receive a cash bonus from Gizmodo.com in July, if and when Apple makes an official product announcement regarding the new iPhone."

Broad, the San Mateo County detective, began to prepare a request to search the apartment on Farm Hill Blvd. the following day when, he said, he received an urgent phone call just before midnight from Martinson, saying Hogan and their roommate Thomas Warner were removing any evidence about the iPhone from the apartment and leaving in two separate cars. Broad said he tracked Hogan down at his father's house, also in Redwood City, and learned that Hogan's computer had been left at a nearby church.

Warner showed up the house at 1 a.m. and was arrested on two outstanding misdemeanor warrants. Warner claimed that a prototype sticker from the iPhone fell out of his wallet at a Chevron station, and later said a 512MB thumb drive and 1GB Lexar compact flash card were under a bush on Harding Avenue, the affidavit says. Police say they recovered all the discarded hardware.

A First Amendment Fight

In a response to a motion from a group of media companies that included CNET, the Associated Press, Bloomberg, the Los Angeles Times, and Wired.com, Judge Clifford Cretan reversed his earlier ruling and ruled on Friday that circumstances had changed, and now secrecy was no longer necessary.

"It appears appropriate to me at this time to unseal the affidavit," Cretan said. "I can no longer say there is an overriding interest in sealing."

On Friday, San Mateo County District Attorney Chris Feasel told the judge that there is no precedent that gives "the court the authority to unseal the search warrant at this time." Feasel had argued that until charges were filed and there was a criminal defendant, news organizations had no right to access the documents.

Cretan ordered that the affidavit to search Gizmodo editor Jason Chen's home and his April 28 order sealing the affidavit be made available to the public no later than 2 p.m. PDT Friday.

"It's gratifying that the judge was willing to reconsider his decision and recognize that circumstances have changed," Roger Myers, the San Francisco attorney who represented the media coalition, said after the ruling was made.

Background

The story began in March, when Gray Powell, a 27-year-old Apple computer engineer, forgot what may be a 4G iPhone phone at a German beer garden in Redwood City, Calif., after a night of drinking.

With the help of friends, Hogan allegedly approached multiple tech news sites before finally selling the handset to Gizmodo for $5,000. (Sage Robert Wallower, a 27-year-old University of California at Berkeley student, was allegedly one of those friends who contacted technology sites.)

Prosecutors in the case say they are conducting a felony theft investigation, but no charges have been filed.

On April 23, just hours after CNET reported that Apple had contacted law enforcement officials about the phone and an investigation was under way, police showed up at Chen's home in Fremont, Calif., across the bay from San Francisco. After breaking down his door, they confiscated three Apple laptops, a Samsung digital camera, a 32GB Apple iPad, a 16GB iPhone, and other electronic gear, according to documents Gizmodo posted.

Apple ranks among the most security-conscious companies, and it has gone to great lengths to prevent leaks about its products. To secure trade secrets, the company has not shied away from high-profile courtroom fights. It filed a lawsuit against Mac enthusiast Web site Think Secret, for example, to unearth information about a leak. A state appeals court ruled in favor of the Web site.

In that case, Apple argued that information published about unreleased products causes it significant harm. "If these trade secrets are revealed, competitors can anticipate and counter Apple's business strategy, and Apple loses control over the timing and publicity for its product launches," Apple wrote in a brief.

Under a California law dating back to 1872, any person who finds lost property and knows who the owner is likely to be--but "appropriates such property to his own use"--is guilty of theft. There are no exceptions for journalists. In addition, a second state law says any person who knowingly receives property that has been obtained illegally can be imprisoned for up to one year.

Knowing that an item probably belonged to someone else has previously led to convictions. "It is not necessary that the defendant be told directly that the property was stolen. Knowledge may be circumstantial and deductive," a California appeals court has previously ruled.

"Possession of stolen property, accompanied by an unsatisfactory explanation of the possession or by suspicious circumstances, will justify an inference that the property was received with knowledge it had been stolen." A California law says lost property valued at $100 or more must be turned over to police.

And here's another tidbit from the affidavit, explaining Steve Jobs' involvement:

"Apple General Counsel Bruce] Sewell told me that after Gizmodo.com released its story regarding the iPhone prototype on or about 4/19/2010, Steve Jobs (Apple CEO) contacted the editor of Gizmodo.com, Brian Lam. Jobs requested that Lam return the phone to Apple. Lam responded via the e-mail address...that he would return the iPhone on the condition that Apple provided him with a letter stating the iPhone belonged to Apple."

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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 05-17-2010, 03:18 PM
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That bit about the California law is interesting. Sounds like the guy who "found" the iPhone and the Gizmodo dude are in a bit of hot water.

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...but not their stocks.

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I dont really see a reason to hate apple in here. I see a company trying to protect their investment and provide value for their shareholders. But then again I forget, in a forum, anyone who makes money by offering a service or value is evil.

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I dont really see a reason to hate apple in here. I see a company trying to protect their investment and provide value for their shareholders. But then again I forget, in a forum, anyone who makes money by offering a service or value is evil.
That's because your door was broken down and a lot of your tech equipment was seized.

It's total bullshit. Seems like they wanted confirmation that this was their product. It's like saying you want something back but can't confirm if it's yours or not.
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I dont really see a reason to hate apple in here. I see a company trying to protect their investment and provide value for their shareholders. But then again I forget, in a forum, anyone who makes money by offering a service or value is evil.

And I'm soooo buying an iPad soon.
Tony, you understand the tech culture very well. They more closed and lawyered up a company gets, the more hated they become.

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I hope apple rails them.


Doushebags for what they did. Oh cool a lost phone, let's take it apart and destroy it.
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That would have been funny in 2004.
i know, apple isnt even a computer company anymore, they are a gadget company.

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I hope apple rails them.


Doushebags for what they did. Oh cool a lost phone, let's take it apart and destroy it.
Yep. Fuck 'em.

"hey, here's a lost cell phone. Looks neat, fuck the owner, let's see if we can sell this shit to some blogs"


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Elaborate... crashed the browser application or the whole OS? Never had the latter.

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I bet, just the browser - I would call that operator error -too many porn websides open at the same time.

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There are some things in the new flash that can crash the browser. I've not been able to reliably pin it down specifically but I've encountered it with some much newer content (porn or otherwise).

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Elaborate... crashed the browser application or the whole OS? Never had the latter.
Good point, crashed Safari. Reinstalled three times, same result. Installed in FireFox, same result.

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I really like apple but for not having flash in my Iphone I would kick Steve's ass.
Here's a snip from the latest demo held by Adobe for their new mobile flash. Seems to be working great. Now granted it is still in beta, but with the battle between Adobe and Apple, you would think you'd try a little harder to make it work properly:

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Here’s what happened: On his Mac, Ryan pulled up a site called Eco Zoo. It is, seemingly, a pretty intense example of Flash development — full of 3D rendering, rich interactions, and cute little characters. Then, he pulled up the same thing on his Nexus One. The site’s progress bar filled in and the 3D world appeared for a few seconds before the browser crashed. Ryan said (paraphrasing), “Whoops! Well, it’s beta, and this is an intense example — let’s try it again.” He tried it again and got the same result. So he said to the audience, “Well, this one isn’t going to work, but does anyone have a Flash site they’d like to see running?” Someone shouted out “Hulu.” Ryan said, “Hulu doesn’t work,” and then wrapped up his demo, telling people if they wanted to try more sites they could find him later and he’d let them play with his Nexus One.

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