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post #1 of 80 (permalink) Old 05-19-2010, 08:55 AM Thread Starter
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Police on 355 between 55 and 80

So, I drive on 355 South from 75th street all the way to 80 East every day, and for the past two days, I have seen at least *four* state troopers on the side of the road or pulling people over...

Why is it that I don't see these troopers on any other stretch of 355 except this one? Oh wait, I know, it's just an easy stretch of highway to make money. Straight road, nothing around, etc.

I support pulling people over for reckless driving, but this shit chaps my ass - I just don't see how this is serving the public good. When the state is in such dire financial straits, it hard not to beleive that these troopers are simply trying to justify their existences and generating as much revenue as possible.

Someone enlighten me - have there been a bunch of accidents on this section of 355, is reckless driving a real problem, are people speeding through construction zones (oh wait, there aren't any)? Or is this just a "shooting fish in a barrel" type of enforcement?

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If I were a cop I would sit there. Not because it is easy but because the average speed for that stretch is about 20 mph faster than the posted speed. Let's face it if everyone wasn't speeding no one would be getting pulled over. They are just doing there job. I just hope they are not doing it when I blast through!

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teach the assholes a lesson - everyone drive exactly the speed limit across all three lanes.

It's bullshit - everybody speeds, if you don't you are the danger on the road.
They just randomly pick who gets the big fine and their insurance all fucked up...

It'd be nice if we did something like all those people in france did, but all across the country. It would screw things up everywhere - they claim they are doing good but really all they are doing is forcing everyone to break the law and hope their luck holds out and they aren't the one that gets caught.
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If I were a cop I would sit there. Not because it is easy but because the average speed for that stretch is about 20 mph faster than the posted speed. Let's face it if everyone wasn't speeding no one would be getting pulled over. They are just doing there job. I just hope they are not doing it when I blast through!


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Here's my problem with the "just don't speed" or "just don't break the law" and you'll be fine argument:

I don't remember the specific Supreme Court case name, however, back in the 70's, a police officer pulled over a woman for going over the white line, and long story short, he took her to jail for it. SCOTUS ruled that lieu of issuing a citation or fine, a police officer does indeed have the right to take a person to jail for a minor traffic violation.

Now, to/from work every day, it is impossible to not break some type of traffic law - i.e. going over the white line, speeding, stopping over the white line, not signaling soon enough, etc. In essence, every day you could potentially be taken to jail. Now, the question remains - why don't we see more people being taken to jail for minor traffic violations? Answer: it would be costly, and in addition, it would be a PR nightmare for the police. Thus, officers are allowed to use their discretion when pulling people over or issuing citations.

Overall, the troopers on 355 could choose to not be assholes, or if they did pull people over, they could issue warnings. Unfortunately, troopers preach about the hazards of speeding in an attempt to obfuscate the Illinois State Police's unwritten agenda, which is to make bank on that section of 355.

As I mentioned earlier, I have no problem with people being pulled over for reckless driving - 100+ mph in a car, weaving in and out of lanes, no signaling, not maintaining intervals, etc. But to me, doing 85mph in a straight line on a smooth section of highway isn't a danger to anyone...

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LR - exactly what I was talking about.

Imagine if millions of drivers all got together across the nation and did that until the govt had to listen to us - let's get realistic about these ridiculously low speed limits and the fact that insurance companies are able to use our infractions to gouge us on insurance premiums. It's all a big scam. If it wasn't a scam perhaps the cops would feel the law should be followed by themselves and not be so cavalier in bragging about how these laws do not apply to them. Real laws do, why not speeding?
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LR - exactly what I was talking about.

Imagine if millions of drivers all got together across the nation and did that until the govt had to listen to us - let's get realistic about these ridiculously low speed limits and the fact that insurance companies are able to use our infractions to gouge us on insurance premiums. It's all a big scam. If it wasn't a scam perhaps the cops would feel the law should be followed by themselves and not be so cavalier in bragging about how these laws do not apply to them. Real laws do, why not speeding?
I'd be down for it. But all these jag offs with entitlement issues (which is a lot in IL if not the whole US) would probably run me right off the road or do some physical harm to me because I was not breaking the law.

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As I mentioned earlier, I have no problem with people being pulled over for reckless driving - 100+ mph in a car, weaving in and out of lanes, no signaling, not maintaining intervals, etc. But to me, going with the flow of traffic in a straight line on a smooth section of highway is much less dangerous than following the speed limit religiously...

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I'd be down for it. But all these jag offs with entitlement issues (which is a lot in IL if not the whole US) would probably run me right off the road or do some physical harm to me because I was not breaking the law.
we know it would piss us all off - but if it actually was adhered to until change happened then it would be worth it. Think of it like a Union going on strike.

A large percentage of the country standing up and saying "so this is the law you want? Fine. Have it"

I don't kid myself that it would ever work here.. Maybe in Europe - they seem to have the stones for that type of thing, and the govt's there seem to fear their citizens... Here in America we seem to take a perverse pride in the fact that we are scared of our own govt and know we can't change anything. Democracy? Heh.. We're more like China.
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I have been told that 355 was designed to have a 75mph speed limit.
And, not sure if this is true, states cannot get federal money for highways without the 55mph speed limit.
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I have been told that 355 was designed to have a 75mph speed limit.
And, not sure if this is true, states cannot get federal money for highways without the 55mph speed limit.
Makes sense, that road has very gentle curves and is smooth as silk....
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They've been nailing people on that stretch since the day it opened. Do NOT speed through there.

That said, I'd hate to be a State Cop. Meter maids, and that's about it. It's ridiculous, profit hidden behind the veil of safety.

The posted speed limit there has zero to do with safety and everything to do with handing out speeding tickets. Those roads are designed for and can easily accommodate a 70mph posted limit. As a matter of fact, the very notion of a 55mph speed limit is a remnant of the 'conservation' effort during the oil crisis in the mid-70s....kept in tact to hand out tickets. No one designs a highway like that for 55mph.

I love when they toggle up and down from 55-65-55-65-46 like on 80. How the hell are you supposed to manage your speed when you have no idea what the speed limit is!!

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If I were a cop I would sit there. Not because it is easy but because the average speed for that stretch is about 20 mph faster than the posted speed. Let's face it if everyone wasn't speeding no one would be getting pulled over. They are just doing there job. I just hope they are not doing it when I blast through!
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EVERYBODY go exactly the speed limit across all lanes from now on.
Give the govt what they want. A grinding halt.

Everybody speeds. You can't drive on the expressway without doing it. The fact that it's just a luck of the draw thing if you get picked (to a point) is bullshit.

They squeeze us for hundreds if not thousands of dollars for .. what? and so they can get what % of it? If a speeding ticket costs you 250$ before insurance what part actually goes to the police? the court? the town? the county? the state?
Everybody wants their nickle and they have no problem ripping you off for $300.00 or more for that nickle.

but I guess it depends on what side of the table you're sitting on - the side with the few hundred in fines and their insurance all jacked up and maybe having to take stupid artard school..
or the guy sitting in the squad who gets to screw all that up for people for doing the same thing everybody else was doing and that he fully expects them to do and will get pissed if they don't do and that he himself does but when he gets pulled over he just shows his badge and as a "courtesy" the law doesn't apply to him.

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If their job is to hand out frivolous tickets in the name of safety then yeah, they're just doing their job.

It's one thing if you're doing 20 over in a school zone, or 25 over wrecklessly on a highway with a realistic posted speed limit...it's quite another to hand out tickets to people for 12 over in a 55 on an eight lane highway with 35' clear zones on either side. It's a money maker pure and simple.

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saw the marked suv out there yesterday morning between 7 and I80 on a gentle left curve around 8am. i was doing 68, the guy next to me was passing in the left lane, and he didnt roll out. maybe it was coffee time, or maybe they only roll for ~75mph?

20mph over is a reckless in the People's Republik of IL, right?

It is ridiculous to think that the cars these days are so safe, and handle and brake so much better than the cars of the past, not to mention the roads are so much safer and smoother, and the limits are lower.
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Parts of I80 by 355 the speed limit is 65. Not sure if that's where you were


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I support pulling people over for reckless driving, but this shit chaps my ass - I just don't see how this is serving the public good. When the state is in such dire financial straits, it hard not to beleive that these troopers are simply trying to justify their existences and generating as much revenue as possible.
Do you really need to get some where 5 mins faster? that is about what it would be time wise if doing 55 or 65. Try is some day gps a destination and it tells you arrival time do the speed limit one way then do it at 85 u tell me. I drive 12 hrs a day and learned your not going to get there much faster

And seriously do you really think the State police give a shit about the state being financial straights? Umm NO why cause they will have a job no matter what. Its like saying Chicago cops writes tickets to generate revenue when in reality they could careless about traffic tickets for the most part hence why Chicago hired these meter maids to pick up the slack

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Do you really need to get some where 5 mins faster? that is about what it would be time wise if doing 55 or 65. Try is some day gps a destination and it tells you arrival time do the speed limit one way then do it at 85 u tell me. I drive 12 hrs a day and learned your not going to get there much faster

And seriously do you really think the State police give a shit about the state being financial straights? Umm NO why cause they will have a job no matter what. Its like saying Chicago cops writes tickets to generate revenue when in reality they could careless about traffic tickets for the most part hence why Chicago hired these meter maids to pick up the slack
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