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Google blasts Apple as Big Brother-1984 ad anyone?

Google compares Apple to 'Big Brother' from iconic 1984 ad

More than 25 years after Apple compared IBM to a totalitarian state in an iconic TV advertisement, Google at this week's I/O conference attempted to suggest Apple is now playing the role of Big Brother with the iPhone.

Vic Gundotra, vice president of engineering for Google, made the comments during his presentation demonstrating "Froyo," the latest update to the company's Google mobile operating system. He suggested that Google's entrance into the mobile phone market was a move meant to directly oppose the likes of Apple and its tightly controlled iPhone platform.

"If Google did not act, we faced a Draconian future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our only choice," Gundotra said. "That's a future we don't want."



Gundotra was paraphrasing Andy Rubin, CEO of Android Inc. before it was purchased by Google, and current vice president of engineering at the search giant. Gundotra's story earned applause from the crowd as a black-and-white image reading "Not the Future We Want" and "1984" was displayed, clearly referencing Apple without specifically naming the iPhone maker.

"If you believe in openness, if you believe in choice, if you believe in innovation from everyone, then welcome to Android," Gundotra said.


The introduction of the Macintosh was declared with the Ridley Scott-directed "1984" advertisement, which aired during the third quarter of Super Bowl XVII on Jan. 22, 1984. The 60-second TV spot was made for a budget of $900,000 and is considered to be a masterpiece in advertising.

Thursday's comments from Gundotra and Google were just another example of the fallout between it and Apple, as the two companies continue to enter and compete in the same markets. This week, Google announced its entrance into the set-top-box arena, where Apple has been present for years with the Apple TV. Google TV aims to integrate both Web browsing and cable TV into one device running its Android operating system, and will arrive this fall.

Last summer, as both companies continued to enter the same markets, Google CEO Eric Schmidt resigned from the Apple Board of Directors. The removal of Schmidt was seen as necessary as Google and Apple now compete in numerous markets in the technology sector: Google's Android mobile operating system competes with Apple's iPhone; both companies recently made large mobile advertising acquisitions; Google's forthcoming Chrome OS will see the company enter the traditional PC space; and the Chrome browser competes with Apple's Safari.

In March The New York Times reported that Steve Jobs feels Google betrayed Apple by partnering with hardware manufacturers to make cell phones that resemble the iPhone. Jobs also allegedly let his feelings be known to employees at a company meeting in January.

"We did not enter the search business. They entered the phone business," Jobs reportedly said. "Make no mistake, Google wants to kill the iPhone. We won't let them."

Despite the companies differences and the growing rivalry, Jobs was spotted having coffee in public with Schmidt back in March. The two were seen having a chat at a cafe in Palo Alto, Calif

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Vic Gundotra is an awesome leader and presenter. He's the Steve Jobs of Google.

Check out the other parts of the Keynote. He relentlessly screws Apple in the arse throughout the demo.

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Competition between companies is a good thing for us consumers... I hope they keep this up.
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Let's see what Apple has up its sleeve on June 7th.

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I watched the whole Keynote live and was laughing my ass off, at the various Apple jabs. The javascript "race" demo with a Froyo, Eclair, and iPad device was priceless.

And what was another priceless quote... something like "people on the Internet USE FLASH!"
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Looks like a good thing for the consumers. Hopefully they continue to leap frog each other from a technical perspective.

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That's interesting because:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/te...html?src=busln

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In Europe, Google Faces New Inquiries on Privacy

BERLIN — Officials in Spain, France and the Czech Republic announced plans on Thursday to investigate Google’s collection of data from wireless networks in their countries, raising the likelihood that the company could face sanctions in Europe.

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Unveiling of the new iPhone.

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With the hundreds of large projects the company undertakes, something like this was bound to happen.
Also, it was Google that went public with this information (voluntarily).

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Google is calling APple Big Brother?

Talk about gall.

Who's the company that scan your every email and send trucks around to snoop on your wifi traffic?

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Right or wrong, the traffic sniffed was on UNSECURED NETWORKS.

I would compare it to recording conversations overheard at say, a restaurant or public transportation. That UNSECURED data is technically free for all to see.
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Right or wrong, the traffic sniffed was on UNSECURED NETWORKS.

I would compare it to recording conversations overheard at say, a restaurant or public transportation. That UNSECURED data is technically free for all to see.
Bullshit.
You don't just "accidentally" overhear wifi traffic like you hear a conversation. You need to be intentionally looking for it. It's no different than using infrared cameras to look into people's houses, or "accidentally" overhearing conversations using laser mics.

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You don't just "accidentally" overhear wifi traffic like you hear a conversation. You need to be intentionally looking for it. It's no different than using infrared cameras to look into people's houses, or "accidentally" overhearing conversations using laser mics.
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You don't just "accidentally" overhear wifi traffic like you hear a conversation. You need to be intentionally looking for it. It's no different than using infrared cameras to look into people's houses, or "accidentally" overhearing conversations using laser mics.
That's a fair enough distinction, I'll give you that.

My main focus/point is that it's on an unsecured network. Therefore one should not make any assumptions about the integrity of one's data and activity while on such a network.
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Bullshit.
You don't just "accidentally" overhear wifi traffic like you hear a conversation. You need to be intentionally looking for it. It's no different than using infrared cameras to look into people's houses, or "accidentally" overhearing conversations using laser mics.
Fellas fellas...let's just file a class action lawsuit against Google which will make em give out free Android phones (and service) to everyone in America who has WiFi. I think its quite fair.

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Fellas fellas...let's just file a class action lawsuit against Google which will make em give out free Android phones (and service) to everyone in America who has WiFi. I think its quite fair.
Good idea.
But google is probably monitoring everything that goes through android phones too.


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Google talking about Apple as Big Brother is completely fucking absurd though. If this (google) guy actually believes his own bullshit, he's mastered doublethink like no one else can.

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Google talking about Apple as Big Brother is completely fucking absurd though. If this (google) guy actually believes his own bullshit, he's mastered doublethink like no one else can.
Yes, Google has the largest empire on the web. But they are the most open and morally responsible company by far.

Google's definition of big brother here is uniformity and closed systems, which is behind Apple's relatively recent success.

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Yes, Google has the largest empire on the web. But they are the most open and morally responsible company by far.

Google's definition of big brother here is uniformity and closed systems, which is behind Apple's relatively recent success.
They're apparently just as good at brainwashing as big brother too.

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Re: Google blasts Apple as Big Brother-1984 ad anyone?

If google is so open, exactly what different operating systems can I install on thier phone if I don't want android




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Didn't know Google manufactured phones. They only make the OS.

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Check out Google.org. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Didn't know Google manufactured phones. They only make the OS.
Sold under thier name? If all thier stuff is so open it should be able to be wiped and say throw windows mobile on it.




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Sold under thier name? If all thier stuff is so open it should be able to be wiped and say throw windows mobile on it.
Be careful what you wish for.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/17/n...thing-weve-se/

HTC makes the most number of Android phones. They also make the most amount of Windows mobile phones. I don't get your point. Google, in any way, does not restrict the you from installing Windows on "their" phone. The hardware manufacturer might, but that's HTC.

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This is a for-profit corporation, not Mozilla.

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