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We may have some dumb laws in Calie, but this might help make up for it.

California could legalize recreational use of Marijuana. voting is in November and people are expecting it to pass.

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The initiative would allow those 21 years and older to possess up to one ounce of marijuana, enough to roll dozens of marijuana cigarettes. Residents also could grow their own crop of the plant in gardens measuring up to 25 square feet.
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I wouldn't mind having my own pot plant and I don't even smoke lol..

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But federal law trumps local law...how will that play out?

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I'd still just buy it. Fuck I could very well grow my own tomatos but I'd rather just buy it.

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I'd still just buy it. Fuck I could very well grow my own tomatos but I'd rather just buy it.
Tomatos are a little bit cheaper.

Now, if you are allowed to grow it in up to 25 foot gardens, how is it that you are only allowed to possess 1 ounce? A 25 foot garden would yeild quite a bit more than that.
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Tomatos are a little bit cheaper.

Now, if you are allowed to grow it in up to 25 foot gardens, how is it that you are only allowed to possess 1 ounce? A 25 foot garden would yeild quite a bit more than that.
I'm guessing that means on hand? Maybe?

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But federal law trumps local law...how will that play out?
Cali may legalize it, but as GSD said if the fed catches on to a bunch of people possesing Marijuana then those in possesion can still be arrested, tried and jailed under federal law upside and downsides to the dual government system of the united states

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Cali may legalize it, but as GSD said if the fed catches on to a bunch of people possesing Marijuana then those in possesion can still be arrested, tried and jailed under federal law upside and downsides to the dual government system of the united states
Well the the issue was taken to supreme court when medical marijuana was legalized in california. The SC stated that it was legal for California to make this change and people couldn't be prosecuted under federal law. I'm assuming the same thing will happen again.

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Well the the issue was taken to supreme court when medical marijuana was legalized in california. The SC stated that it was legal for California to make this change and people couldn't be prosecuted under federal law. I'm assuming the same thing will happen again.
ahhh, beat me there, was not aware of that. i knew it went to the SC but didnt know the outcome of the law. I shall rep you for that

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Look there is more green crosses in san francisco city limits then starbucks now, pots been almost legal there for 5 years now! so i dont see any major changes.
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But federal law trumps local law...how will that play out?
It already is playing out with the medical Marijuana shops out there. They aren't legal by federal standards but have been in business for years. It's all about enforcement.
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Tomatos are a little bit cheaper.

Now, if you are allowed to grow it in up to 25 foot gardens, how is it that you are only allowed to possess 1 ounce? A 25 foot garden would yeild quite a bit more than that.
Once its legal to grow, weed is going to be CHEAP. That's why some of the private growers now who supply to the medical marijuana places are starting to back peddle against legalization.

I say good. Tax the fuck out of it like tobacco and go.
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Wow, so the rest of the country will be like a family that tries and tries to keep their kids clean and California will be like that loser uncle the kids gravitate toward instead and eventually get hooked by.

I hope the rest of the country boycotts them.

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Wow, so the rest of the country will be like a family that tries and tries to keep their kids clean and California will be like that loser uncle the kids gravitate toward instead and eventually get hooked by.

I hope the rest of the country boycotts them.
this is supposed to be a free country
I don't smoke pot
but I really don't see why the govt cares if people do?
They spend billions fighting it and 10s or hundreds of billions incarcerating people for it - and who the hell cares?

if people want to put something into their body I say let them.
What's the big deal?
If we should have any freedom it should be the freedom to do what we want with our own bodies.
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There's absolutely no way this won't pass. People treat weed like booze in this part of the state, as it should be.
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this is supposed to be a free country...
if people want to put something into their body I say let them....
If we should have any freedom it should be the freedom to do what we want with our own bodies.
...except when what you put in your body could negatively affect me, right? I hope. Like for example, you don't have the right to get all wasted and drive on the same road I'm driving on. And so, in turn, you shouldn't have the right to get all hopped up and work on my car, house, motorcycle, etc. ....I shouldn't have to worry about that, am I right? As a consumer of goods and services I should feel comfortable knowing that the work was performed by someone who was not under the influence.

Edit: I shouldn't have to worry about my house burning down because some idiot electrician might have done the job high.

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...except when what you put in your body could negatively affect me, right? I hope. Like for example, you don't have the right to get all wasted and drive on the same road I'm driving on. And so, in turn, you shouldn't have the right to get all hopped up and work on my car, house, motorcycle, etc. ....I shouldn't have to worry about that, am I right? As a consumer of goods and services I should feel comfortable knowing that the work was performed by someone who was not under the influence.

Edit: I shouldn't have to worry about my house burning down because some idiot electrician might have done the job high.
Then you better ask the next electrian who works on your house what prescribed drugs he's on.
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...except when what you put in your body could negatively affect me, right? I hope. Like for example, you don't have the right to get all wasted and drive on the same road I'm driving on. And so, in turn, you shouldn't have the right to get all hopped up and work on my car, house, motorcycle, etc. ....I shouldn't have to worry about that, am I right? As a consumer of goods and services I should feel comfortable knowing that the work was performed by someone who was not under the influence.

Edit: I shouldn't have to worry about my house burning down because some idiot electrician might have done the job high.
There is already a system in place to punish these people. I can't come to work drunk, or Ill loose my job. I can't drive drunk, or I'll loose my license and end up in jail.

Same thing for weed. I can't come into work high. But on the other hand, why shouldn't I be able to enjoy a smoke on a Friday evening.

There WILL be people that abuse the system, as there is now. But the taxes collected from marijuana sales should hopefully cover the incarceration of the small minority that chooses to be dumb fucks.
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Then you better ask the next electrian who works on your house what prescribed drugs he's on.
Pfff, yeah no shit man. You guys can't tell me that you don't think about that sort of thing - law or not. There's plenty of sober people causing mayhem in this world. Do we need to intentionally increase the idiocy?

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All recreational use aside, I feel that if you have a legitimate medical condition where your quality of life would increase from smokin' weed, I say why not ... as long as your not driving.

Example: Someone on chemo - has a diminished appetite as well as increased nausea and in some instances pain from affects of the cancer. I say why not let them take some of the most effective anti-nausea medicine known to man.

Really WTF? If someone is dying and can't eat or are in pain, why not let them enjoy a better quality of life, when they still have it. Where they can be lucid enough to not be in a med-induced stupor

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...except when what you put in your body could negatively affect me, right? I hope. Like for example, you don't have the right to get all wasted and drive on the same road I'm driving on. And so, in turn, you shouldn't have the right to get all hopped up and work on my car, house, motorcycle, etc. ....I shouldn't have to worry about that, am I right? As a consumer of goods and services I should feel comfortable knowing that the work was performed by someone who was not under the influence.

Edit: I shouldn't have to worry about my house burning down because some idiot electrician might have done the job high.
No offence, but there's no reason for you to believe there aren't high people on the road now.

LOTS of people smoke weed. The stigma that surrounds it will keep most from admitting it's use regardless of it's legality.
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Too much to copy and paste, but the main thing is that marijuana has not been illegal for very long.

I believe alcohol is much more dangerous and it is scientifically proven that there is no acute toxicity in THC (in other words, you can NOT over dose on marijuana). People don't get stoned and say "Hey, I'm gonna beat that guy's face in because he looked at me".

The legalization for medicinal use in other states has proven as a stimulus to their local economy. It provides jobs, it allows patients to medicate and alleviate their ailments freely without worrying about being ticketed (yes, in CO it was a misdemeanor for under an ounce and they would just take the pot from you and issue a citation and send you on your way, don't ask how I know this), and it's giving money to the gubiment.

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+100 It would cost less (just my opinion not based on any research) to legalize and tax all drugs then it cost to try to enforce the laws against them. And as far as people over dosing, I would bet that less people would od then there are people currently dying as part of the whole drug trade.

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Well the the issue was taken to supreme court when medical marijuana was legalized in california. The SC stated that it was legal for California to make this change and people couldn't be prosecuted under federal law. I'm assuming the same thing will happen again.
Not quite. SCOTUS decided in Gonzalez v. Raich that the commerce clause gave Congress authority to prohibit the local cultivation and use of marijuana, despite state law to the contrary.

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...except when what you put in your body could negatively affect me, right? I hope. Like for example, you don't have the right to get all wasted and drive on the same road I'm driving on. And so, in turn, you shouldn't have the right to get all hopped up and work on my car, house, motorcycle, etc. ....I shouldn't have to worry about that, am I right? As a consumer of goods and services I should feel comfortable knowing that the work was performed by someone who was not under the influence.

Edit: I shouldn't have to worry about my house burning down because some idiot electrician might have done the job high.
OK, So you want someone (the government, corporations, our folks, etc.) to police everyone and everything so you don't have to make any evaluations of the people you do business with or need to take to time to evaluate the quality of the work you are having done?

That's EXACTLY the thing about creeping government that most of us here on CLSB complain about.

Where is your personal responsibility? When do you take the responsibility to be in charge of your life and your decisions? Every time I use a vendor, it's up to me to evaluate that vendor's work against what I expect, and make appropriate decisions. The bottom line is that only you are responsible for your possessions, their safe maintenance and operations. Only you are responsible for how you drive, including how you allow for the poor/impaired/non-existent skills of others. Yes, sometimes others do stuff that you can not get out of the way fast enough for, and that sucks. That's why we have insurance and courts and stuff. Bot most of the time, it's 100% on each and every one of us to manage our own affairs and compensate for the idiots among us.





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OK, So you want someone (the government, corporations, our folks, etc.) to police everyone and everything so you don't have to make any evaluations of the people you do business with or need to take to time to evaluate the quality of the work you are having done?

That's EXACTLY the thing about creeping government that most of us here on CLSB complain about.

Where is your personal responsibility? When do you take the responsibility to be in charge of your life and your decisions? Every time I use a vendor, it's up to me to evaluate that vendor's work against what I expect, and make appropriate decisions. The bottom line is that only you are responsible for your possessions, their safe maintenance and operations. Only you are responsible for how you drive, including how you allow for the poor/impaired/non-existent skills of others. Yes, sometimes others do stuff that you can not get out of the way fast enough for, and that sucks. That's why we have insurance and courts and stuff. Bot most of the time, it's 100% on each and every one of us to manage our own affairs and compensate for the idiots among us.





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OK, So you want someone (the government, corporations, our folks, etc.) to police everyone and everything so you don't have to make any evaluations of the people you do business with or need to take to time to evaluate the quality of the work you are having done?

That's EXACTLY the thing about creeping government that most of us here on CLSB complain about.

Where is your personal responsibility? When do you take the responsibility to be in charge of your life and your decisions? Every time I use a vendor, it's up to me to evaluate that vendor's work against what I expect, and make appropriate decisions. The bottom line is that only you are responsible for your possessions, their safe maintenance and operations. Only you are responsible for how you drive, including how you allow for the poor/impaired/non-existent skills of others. Yes, sometimes others do stuff that you can not get out of the way fast enough for, and that sucks. That's why we have insurance and courts and stuff. Bot most of the time, it's 100% on each and every one of us to manage our own affairs and compensate for the idiots among us.





[by sliding the forks up to compensate]

Lately more and more often I have been toying with breaking this CLSB junk reading addiction - It seems 75% of the time the utter stupidity I read on here just hurts my head - There are a few of you that keep me coming back (sorry to the rest of you, don't worry eventually all the stupidity will eventually cause me to leave this constantly open 24/7 cliquey high school cafeteria)

Craig well said - you're one of them (so are you Rob)

Last edited by iamnotgreg; 05-27-2010 at 09:37 AM. Reason: 75% is more realistic
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