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Solar Power?

First a Mine blows up, then an Oil Rig Blows up, and now Obama is visiting a Solar Panel factory...I smell conspiracy!

Maybe those tree-hugger solar panel guys are behind it?

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Nope, God is trying to send us a message to use renewable energy sources.

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Have you guys seen the problem with stolen solar panels!? Those things are worth big bucks, users are having a tough time hanging on to them

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Some say there is no such thing as coincidence. I am all for a good conspiracy theory, but this is a little bit of a stretch. :-))

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Some say there is no such thing as coincidence. I am all for a good conspiracy theory, but this is a little bit of a stretch. :-))
Shush you!

I'm sure POTUS is behind this...he's behind everything bad that goes on since elected. EVERYTHING! I hear there's been lots of Mexicans crossing the border...I'm betting he's behind that too!

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Shush you!

I'm sure POTUS is behind this...he's behind everything bad that goes on since elected. EVERYTHING! I hear there's been lots of Mexicans crossing the border...I'm betting he's behind that too!


On the other hand, people stopped talking about the world ending in 2012, with catastrophes like these and the natural disasters and the military and political conflicts around the world, it seems like it might come true.

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I would love to use natural resource and get off the grid if it were more affordable. I seen a show that used solar panels for power. A greenhouse to heat their home. And a tunell from the back of their property to air condition the house.

Part I think sucks is if you do create your own power and you produce more that the power company can use that power but doesnt pay you for it.

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I've been powering my plants for years on solar energy.

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On the other hand, people stopped talking about the world ending in 2012, with catastrophes like these and the natural disasters and the military and political conflicts around the world, it seems like it might come true.
Oh SHIT! Now you've done it! Don't you know all these earthquakes are the American Govenments way of fucking things up for those that oppose them? All those earthquakes, AND that volcano called jkfjfgiqw3juf90jshsjkg were just tests. 2012 is when the OBeezy announces himself as King of America! You mark my words!

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I would love to use natural resource and get off the grid if it were more affordable. I seen a show that used solar panels for power. A greenhouse to heat their home. And a tunell from the back of their property to air condition the house.

Part I think sucks is if you do create your own power and you produce more that the power company can use that power but doesnt pay you for it.
Not true. There are two types of power distribution used in self sufficent homes. One is battery storage, where you have the power source (solar, wind, hydro, geothermal etc) powering a fleet of batteries. This will keep the house going when the wind isn't blowing or it's dark out, and is necessary for homes that are physically off the grid due to location.

The other type is simply an updated electric meter on your house that actually spins both forward and backward. If you provide power to the grid is spins backward. And if you provide more than you use, you get a credit. This is useful in areas like ours where we don't have much sun in the winter. So all summer your feeding the grid and building up a credit with the power company, then in the winter you use solar as you can, and burn your credit till Spring comes around again. (hopefully breaking even). The amount you save on not paying an electric bill, is supposed to be how you pay back your hardware and maintenance on your self sufficient power source.

If I went solar, I'd prefer the second method because batteries bring in a whole slew of environmental issues and added cost with repair and maintenance. But seeing as how a full 2kilowatt setup for my house would cost $45,000 and take 22 years to pay itself off, it's not happening anytime soon.

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I've been powering my plants for years on solar energy.
dude, you are *so* ahead of the curve!

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if any of you knew just what goes into making a solar cell you'd think twice about calling it a green technology
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But seeing as how a full 2kilowatt setup for my house would cost $45,000 and take 22 years to pay itself off, it's not happening anytime soon.
On a serious note, this! I never really cared too much about the whole green thing, but since I got into this house couple years ago, we started recycling and doing little things to be more green. Taking the next big step like that tough, that requires some serious disposible income.

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On a serious note, this! I never really cared too much about the whole green thing, but since I got into this house couple years ago, we started recycling and doing little things to be more green. Taking the next big step like that tough, that requires some serious disposible income.
Well, (I know I've said this before here a few times) I'm hoping the next big jump in solar technology will come soon, and we'll have a huge price drop in the solar cells, as well as an improvement in output.

I've seen some really damn cool solar cells, ones that are about the size of CDs and you mount on the *side* of your house like vines running up and down. They not only collect solar energy, but the wind blowing them rocks them back and forth (like leaves) which in turn cranks mini dynamos behind each cell.

Crazy cool stuff, but still not terribly efficient.

Damnit, now you got me talking serious and realistic. Back to conspiracy theories!!

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currently the latest for photovoltaic tech is flexible substrates, PV cells that double as roofing shingles, and semi transparent PV on glass that could be used on the whole south side of a large building
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I was at a green energy conference hosted by com Ed last week. Lots of good stuff going on there. The keynote speaker had some really great ideas for cooling and lighting that would work great in my data centers.

also I came up with the idea of transparent solar cells that could be used as windows in large buildings etc. Imagine the energy that would be produced if all the windows in the sky scrapers downtown were lined with these. Of corse then I did a web search and found some guys at MIT that already thought of it.




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I'm still hoping the efficiency of PV comes up a lot. Full sun provides 1KW/1sq M but the best solar panels put out less than 400W/sqM Hardly efficient conversion.

I'd love to go solar/wind with storage, but as noted above, the payback isn't there yet.

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