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Aircraft sets hypersonic record at six times the speed of sound
An aircraft has set a record for hypersonic flight by flying more than three minutes at Mach 6 six times the speed of sound
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The X-51A Waverider was released from a B-52 Stratofortress off the southern California coast and its scramjet engine accelerated the aircraft to Mach 6, and it flew autonomously for 200 seconds before losing acceleration. At that point the test was terminated.
The Air Force said the previous record for a hypersonic flight was 12 seconds.



"We are ecstatic to have accomplished many of the X-51A test points during its first hypersonic mission," said Charlie Brink, an X-51A program manager with the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio.
"We equate this leap in engine technology as equivalent to the post-World War II jump from propeller-driven aircraft to jet engines," he said.
The Waverider was built for the Air Force by Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne and Boeing Co.
Joe Vogel, Boeing's director of hypersonics, said, "This is a new world record and sets the foundation for several hypersonic applications, including access to space, reconnaissance, strike, global reach and commercial transportation."
Four X-51A cruisers have been built for the Air Force, and the remaining three will be tested this autumn.
"No test is perfect," Mr Brink said, "and I'm sure we will find anomalies that we will need to address before the next flight."
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that's hilarious
that's EXACTLY what I was thinking when I wrote that
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I am guessing that's about 4,000 MPH at that elevation (guessing at an elevation of around 80-90k feet)
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I am guessing that's about 4,000 MPH at that elevation (guessing at an elevation of around 80-90k feet)
Pfft. My Gixxer can do that in 5th gear.

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Kinda slow if you ask me...relative to all the things we've accomplished in other scientific fields since we hit first mach speed.

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Kinda slow if you ask me...relative to all the things we've accomplished in other scientific fields since we hit first mach speed.
The SR-71 was hitting Mach 3+ back in the 60's. Haven't moved too much since then.

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The SR-71 was hitting Mach 3+ back in the 60's. Haven't moved too much since then.

That thing is probably the sexiest machine ever created.
I was just talking with a coworker about that
It's amazing what we have done with tech in some areas but how we have literally stalled in many others.
The space shuttle has less computing power than my iphone, you'd think we'd have at minimum military planes that could just fly up and into orbit at will by now (considering the tools available now vs then)

They landed a man on the moon using a slide rule - we now have computers that could do every calculation they ever did in a matter of seconds and we can't do it again? You'd think with todays tech it'd be easy?

The SR-71 is beyond amazing and it was designed basically by hand by a man without all of todays tech.. Granted Johnson was beyond brilliant and supposedly could "see wind" - but with all of todays modern tech you'd think we'd be moving forward more, if not backwards in some areas.
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I was just talking with a coworker about that
It's amazing what we have done with tech in some areas but how we have literally stalled in many others.
The space shuttle has less computing power than my iphone, you'd think we'd have at minimum military planes that could just fly up and into orbit at will by now (considering the tools available now vs then)

They landed a man on the moon using a slide rule - we now have computers that could do every calculation they ever did in a matter of seconds and we can't do it again? You'd think with todays tech it'd be easy?

The SR-71 is beyond amazing and it was designed basically by hand by a man without all of todays tech.. Granted Johnson was beyond brilliant and supposedly could "see wind" - but with all of todays modern tech you'd think we'd be moving forward more, if not backwards in some areas.

"They landed a man on the moon using a slide rule - "....did they?

Haha...just had to throw that out there. I love all this stuff, and pretty pissed at Obama for shutting down a lot of NASA. Can't believe the USA has to bum rides into space soon and for the foreseeable future. Sucks.
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I was just talking with a coworker about that
It's amazing what we have done with tech in some areas but how we have literally stalled in many others.
The space shuttle has less computing power than my iphone, you'd think we'd have at minimum military planes that could just fly up and into orbit at will by now (considering the tools available now vs then)

They landed a man on the moon using a slide rule - we now have computers that could do every calculation they ever did in a matter of seconds and we can't do it again? You'd think with todays tech it'd be easy?

The SR-71 is beyond amazing and it was designed basically by hand by a man without all of todays tech.. Granted Johnson was beyond brilliant and supposedly could "see wind" - but with all of todays modern tech you'd think we'd be moving forward more, if not backwards in some areas.
Trying to come up with a engine that'll work over that range of speeds is pretty tough, I'd imagine. The X-51 needs a rocket engine just to get it to scramjet operating speeds, and I recall reading somewhere that the scramjet can't even last more than a few minutes of use.

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I was just talking with a coworker about that
It's amazing what we have done with tech in some areas but how we have literally stalled in many others.
The space shuttle has less computing power than my iphone, you'd think we'd have at minimum military planes that could just fly up and into orbit at will by now (considering the tools available now vs then)

They landed a man on the moon using a slide rule - we now have computers that could do every calculation they ever did in a matter of seconds and we can't do it again? You'd think with todays tech it'd be easy?

The SR-71 is beyond amazing and it was designed basically by hand by a man without all of todays tech.. Granted Johnson was beyond brilliant and supposedly could "see wind" - but with all of todays modern tech you'd think we'd be moving forward more, if not backwards in some areas.

dude, we never landed on the moon, it was a hoax to to to uh make people think the moon isn't made of cheese.


I was watching the marathon they had on history channel of the nasa program. They did have computers when they were going to the moon. They were the size of a 20X20 room. It took them forever to do calculations on the computer system. Like loading a computer game on a commodore 64.


I got a chance to see a SR71 at the Ohio Airforce museum. Awesome plane. I use to fly it on my chuck yeager flight simulator when iz a kid. hitting 80,000 feet altitude.
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Not bad, probably takes 13 parsecs to do the kessel run though.






/i know parsec is a unit of distance

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Trying to come up with a engine that'll work over that range of speeds is pretty tough, I'd imagine. The X-51 needs a rocket engine just to get it to scramjet operating speeds, and I recall reading somewhere that the scramjet can't even last more than a few minutes of use.
Obviously it's not easy - but we went from touching orbit to the moon in a matter of a few years while designing all new tech and figuring out all the problems to get there. Then we seemingly sat on our collective hands for the next 40 years.

A plane from the 60's is still the fastest plane in the world (ok that we know of)

We used to be able to fly supersonic from here to europe in a matter of hours - that's gone. I know that was economics but you'd think they'd have improved tech and lowered costs.. They didn't.

It just seems to me a lot of this tech stalled.

Oh and I think current scramjets have all been in the 3 minute or less range (this one was 200 seconds) -- obviously the answer can't be as simple as staged motors can it? I am sure fuel limitations would be a problem.

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Kinda slow if you ask me...relative to all the things we've accomplished in other scientific fields since we hit first mach speed.
Do you know how much more power you need to make just a little more speed at that velocity!!??

...not to mention all the other factors that play a role at those speeds.

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A plane from the 60's is still the fastest plane in the world (ok that we know of)

We used to be able to fly supersonic from here to europe in a matter of hours - that's gone. I know that was economics but you'd think they'd have improved tech and lowered costs.. They didn't.
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I think the extreme fuel usage is what killed it. Plus, it being a small plane(airliner) that it couldn't carry enough passengers to make a real profit. Tickets were like 3000 bucks for a flight.


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I think the extreme fuel usage is what killed it. Plus, it being a small plane(airliner) that it couldn't carry enough passengers to make a real profit. Tickets were like 3000 bucks for a flight.

I knew the name TDS
I actually almost flew on it once - shortly before it shut down I had a travel agent friend who could have gotten me 2 tickets to Paris for 15k... Seemed like a lot of money back then -- still is, but I'd have loved to check "fly supersonic" off the old bucket list.

You do realize it was all first class and you dined on royal doulton china etc - it wasn't cattle car airlines. Side note - do you know how much regular first class is now? Flying First Class to Hong Kong will set you back what 30k$ per ticket ?

Guess I will have to live that one out vicariously through the Wife - she flew home from Paris on the Concorde once - She has no idea how jealous I am (not only did she get to fly on that jet but she got to leave that forsaken city as fast as possible )
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I actually almost flew on it once - shortly before it shut down I had a travel agent friend who could have gotten me 2 tickets to Paris for 15k... Seemed
Guess I will have to live that one out vicariously through the Wife - she flew home from Paris on the Concorde once - She has no idea how jealous I am (not only did she get to fly on that jet but she got to leave that forsaken city as fast as possible )
How much is it to go to hong kong in 2nd class? I remember going to europe was close to 2 grand for second class. 8-9 hours flight time.

I loved the big ass planes that go to Asia.


I was in the Oshkosh airshow, and got to go inside the concord. neat plane. The cockpit windows are weird since it has to pivot. They did give rides on the concord but I can't remember how much it was or if they hit mach. This was maybe 1994?
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Not bad, probably takes 13 parsecs to do the kessel run though.






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Which was explained by the fact that the Kessel Run was a smuggling run that had to circumnavigate around a cluster of black-holes, and only the strongest and fastest ships could skim their gravity well making the run shorter (in parsecs)

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Which was explained by the fact that the Kessel Run was a smuggling run that had to circumnavigate around a cluster of black-holes, and only the strongest and fastest ships could skim their gravity well making the run shorter (in parsecs)
I'm aware of this, didn't feel the need to post the explanation for the unwashed masses though.

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How much is it to go to hong kong in 2nd class? I remember going to europe was close to 2 grand for second class. 8-9 hours flight time.

I loved the big ass planes that go to Asia.


I was in the Oshkosh airshow, and got to go inside the concord. neat plane. The cockpit windows are weird since it has to pivot. They did give rides on the concord but I can't remember how much it was or if they hit mach. This was maybe 1994?
If you mean Business it's something like 5 or 6 grand
They don't have "2nd class"

the big ass planes that fly to Asia.. you mean the 747?

It wouldn't do mach - not if it was flying over US soil
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Wow - I just looked - Business goes from around 5500 with stops to over $24k for this crazy airline
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