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More college-educated jump tracks to become skilled manual laborers

By Carol Morello
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Tuesday, June 15, 2010
Armed with a bachelor's degree in theology from Notre Dame, Adam Osielski was pondering a route well traveled: law school.

He watched his friends work long hours as paralegals while studying law and weighed the all-encompassing commitment. That was five years ago. Today, Osielski, 29, is a journeyman electrician rather than a law firm associate. Or, as Osielski might say with his minor in French, an ?lectricien.

In a region in which 47 percent of Washington area residents have a college degree, the highest rate in the nation, Osielski is among a small but apparently growing number of the college-educated who are taking up the trades.
Kinda of interesting how a college degree isn't what it's cracked up to be, but because of easy credit, everyone is getting one because it's "the thing to do"
Meanwhile, just like the housing market fueled by easy credit, tuition prices have skyrocketed compared to inflation.
As it turns out, that degree isn't worth as much as you thought it was. For these people, it ends up having a negative economic impact.

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As said in another thread, it's because a majority of the jobs those degrees were used to obtain don't exist in this country anymore...

The colleges are just trying to keep hush hush about that sad fact.

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As said in another thread, it's because a majority of the jobs those degrees were used to obtain don't exist in this country anymore...

The colleges are just trying to keep hush hush about that sad fact.
Keeps the gravy train rolling.

Even though most colleges are ostensibly "not for profit" or even gov't run, we know that these types of organizations would never ever lie or sell people shit they don't really need to pad their own wallets, because only greedy for-profit capitalists do that.

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Kinda of interesting how a college degree isn't what it's cracked up to be, but because of easy credit, everyone is getting one because it's "the thing to do"
Meanwhile, just like the housing market fueled by easy credit, tuition prices have skyrocketed compared to inflation.
As it turns out, that degree isn't worth as much as you thought it was. For these people, it ends up having a negative economic impact.
So youre giving up law and moving to cali to be a fluffer in gay porn now or what?

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I think college degrees have lost some of their clout because everyone has one now. Of course many jobs need them but the over abundance of kids with Bachelors going for $30K jobs is really edging out folks with no degree's who would usually fill them.
Sort of nuts if you think about it, $40-60K worth of loans to get a $30K job.

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I think college degrees have lost some of their clout because everyone has one now. Of course many jobs need them but the over abundance of kids with Bachelors going for $30K jobs is really edging out folks with no degree's who would usually fill them.
Sort of nuts if you think about it, $40-60K worth of loans to get a $30K job.
Some kids are getting their foot in the door out of HS somewhere doing stupid jobs and moving up within... I'd rather have someone with 2-4 yrs of experience working AT my company to promote than someone wet behind the ears with a slip of paper but doesn't know jack shit about my company but thinks they are all that and a bag of chips.

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So youre giving up law and moving to cali to be a fluffer in gay porn now or what?
You're such a closet homo (NTTIAWWT)

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some kids are getting their foot in the door out of hs somewhere doing stupid jobs and moving up within... I'd rather have someone with 2-4 yrs of experience working at my company to promote than someone wet behind the ears with a slip of paper but doesn't know jack shit about my company but thinks they are all that and a bag of chips.
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I think college degrees have lost some of their clout because everyone has one now. Of course many jobs need them but the over abundance of kids with Bachelors going for $30K jobs is really edging out folks with no degree's who would usually fill them.
Sort of nuts if you think about it, $40-60K worth of loans to get a $30K job.
No kidding. I made 30+k working as a security guard through undergrad. No education required. Some of the guys on the better paying accounts made 50+.

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Some kids are getting their foot in the door out of HS somewhere doing stupid jobs and moving up within... I'd rather have someone with 2-4 yrs of experience working AT my company to promote than someone wet behind the ears with a slip of paper but doesn't know jack shit about my company but thinks they are all that and a bag of chips.
this is why i wish i did an internship somewhere. my degree now is simply there to show that i have one for the jobs that say their application process requires it.

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One of the reasons BS degrees are becoming so over inflated is that universities are just making up degrees that don't actually mean anything other than giving students a reason to go because they think it's the right thing to do after high school.

I have a bunch of friends that graduated with an art degree, a university studies degree or similar types that had no idea what they were going to do with them after school. They were only there because mommy and daddy were paying for them to party for 4/5/6 years.

I have a mechanical engineering degree and without it, I would never have my current job without. Companies wouldn't even consider you for an engineering position without it. Now I have to start thinking about getting my MBA because it's the only way to move up into management in a bunch of companies.

It's starting to trend that even MBAs are over inflated because everyone feels they need to just get the piece of paper to cross a line off of a job posting.

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Then you get your Masters and your loan amount doubles... trying not to think about it!

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Then you get your Masters and your loan amount doubles... trying not to think about it!
Find a company the values their employees advancing their education.

That was one of the biggest perks of my current job. 100% tuition reimbursement without having to sign a contract.

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That was one of the biggest perks of my current job. 100% tuition reimbursement without having to sign a contract.
Very rare now. :-(

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How come women these days are all going for their masters?
Women in general have a slight majority when it comes to college enrollment.
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Part of the problem is that students are getting degrees that don't have an application in the job force. What does one do with a BS/BA in theology or philosophy (other than apply to law school)? The other thing is that even if you do go to law school, you have to work your ass off for 4 years to get your degree. Then you get find a job where you have to work 80 hours a week to collect your fat check. For me, I don't think its worth it. Maybe this guy figured the same thing.

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Women in general have a slight majority when it comes to college enrollment.
To answer your question, they are simply smarter than us when it comes to long-term planning.
That and they realize their bachelors in psychology is useless without a masters

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That and they realize their bachelors in psychology is useless without a masters
Then they realize their masters in whatever is useless because they want to become an elementary school teacher, so they start all over.

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One of the reasons BS degrees are becoming so over inflated is that universities are just making up degrees that don't actually mean anything other than giving students a reason to go because they think it's the right thing to do after high school.

I have a bunch of friends that graduated with an art degree, a university studies degree or similar types that had no idea what they were going to do with them after school. They were only there because mommy and daddy were paying for them to party for 4/5/6 years.

I have a mechanical engineering degree and without it, I would never have my current job without. Companies wouldn't even consider you for an engineering position without it. Now I have to start thinking about getting my MBA because it's the only way to move up into management in a bunch of companies.

It's starting to trend that even MBAs are over inflated because everyone feels they need to just get the piece of paper to cross a line off of a job posting.
^^^ This

If you get a worthless college degree in art. Its going to be worthless in the real world.

I got a mechanical engineering degree, and like Noodles, I would never have been hired without it. And Ive been working on my masters in engineering so that I can move up and be competitive.

College is useful and it works, but you have to go in willing to be challenged and learn. Not just to get a piece of paper.
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Some kids are getting their foot in the door out of HS somewhere doing stupid jobs and moving up within... I'd rather have someone with 2-4 yrs of experience working AT my company to promote than someone wet behind the ears with a slip of paper but doesn't know jack shit about my company but thinks they are all that and a bag of chips.

Absolutely! And the worst part about it is as you mention, they think that THEY know all the answers, and those with 20 yrs experience should stop and listen to them.

As my uncle told me YEARS ago, a college degree is nothing more than a "Certificate of Trainability"

When I hire someone, I want to see passion in them and drive to LEARN about my business, my process, my customers, and to strive to do it our way. As they learn it (through EXPERIENCE) THEN they will be a key contributor on how to improve the product, services, systems and processes.

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You forgot the dark horse in this set of degrees... the MRS degree. This is when attractive chicks go to college with the sole intention of finding a smart guy majoring in a lucrative field and marrying him. She lures him in saying that she is undecided at the moment and wants to "get to know you better." If a college chick says this without any alcohol in her, run for the hills.

She only does this because she realizes that she's too much of a dumbass to make it on her own and has too much dignity to blowjob her way to the top (but just enough dignity to ride some dude's coattails), so she finds the nearest soon-to-be-successful guy out there and leeches onto him for all it's worth. A few kids and car payments later, here comes a divorce (cue the mentally distressed and emotionally abused card) and she is instantly loaded with half of the poor guy's estate.

Add a vanity license plate that says "WAS HIS" for added effect and cruelty.

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so you're now saying the GED is a higher level of education than all that specialized training your union sends you to?

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