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I have been riding for over 20yrs, but have never taken the MSF or any other similar riding classes.

I am signed up to take the 'Basic' riding class 9/24-9/26 at CLC. (Basic as opposed to taking the more intermediate class because it may help me unlearn some bad habits that I dont even know I have.)

Anyone here have any good or bad experiences from these NIU Motorcycle Saftey Project classes?
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You will be bored for most of the first morning as the exercises are made for people who have NEVER been on a motorcycle. But they progress like building blocks. Hopefully you will learn something or discover a bad habit. Even if you just take one new thing away from the class, it will be worth it, no?

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While we are on this topic, are you guys offering an advance course anytime soon?
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I'm still a little confused on how you even sign up, register, pay, etc.

I've heard some are donation only, some are expensive.

I should probably take it, at least so I can lower my insurance.
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While we are on this topic, are you guys offering an advance course anytime soon?
No, the experienced rider courses registrations are done for the year. There are two more classes on Sept. 4th, one at COD and one at CLC. You could go to one of those and try to get in as a walk-in. I am guessing you might have a decent chance of some no-shows as the weather looks like it will be great, and experienced riders tend to flake out and.....................go riding instead.

Here are some BRC classes that can still be registered for coming up:


COD

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I cant tell how many opening there are.


As has been said elsewhere show up as a walk-in at any of these, there have been openings and we aren't filling classes. I suggest CLC, COD and NIU as there are 3 separate ranges at these sites so there is a better chance of open spots for no-shows.

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Took one earlier this year after my break from riding as a refresher. Overall I enjoyed it and learned a thing or two.. Kegger's description and analogy is dead on to what I experienced in the class. The class is well worth your time.

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I'm still a little confused on how you even sign up, register, pay, etc.

I've heard some are donation only, some are expensive.

I should probably take it, at least so I can lower my insurance.
See my post above.

Just to lower your insurance?
You should want to better your skills.

At any rate, check with your insurance carrier, they dont all offer a discount for taking these courses.

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No, the experienced rider courses registrations are done for the year. There are two more classes on Sept. 4th, one at COD and one at CLC. You could go to one of those and try to get in as a walk-in. I am guessing you might have a decent chance of some no-shows as the weather looks like it will be great, and experienced riders tend to flake out and.....................go riding instead.

Here are some BRC classes that can still be registered for coming up:


COD

ROCK VALLEY COLLEGE

I cant tell how many opening there are.


As has been said elsewhere show up as a walk-in at any of these, there have been openings and we aren't filling classes. I suggest CLC, COD and NIU as there are 3 separate ranges at these sites so there is a better chance of open spots for no-shows.
Thank you sir.
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See my post above.

Just to lower your insurance?
You should want to better your skills.

At any rate, check with your insurance carrier, they dont all offer a discount for taking these courses.
Well definitely to improve my skills, but the insurance drop is nice too. They specifically said it would go down with an MSF course when I took out the coverage.
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Well definitely to improve my skills, but the insurance drop is nice too. They specifically said it would go down with an MSF course when I took out the coverage.
Do it!

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Looks like the majority if not all of the experienced rider courses were cancelled due to low or no one signing up.
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Do it!
I'll check the NIU schedule for dates after this weekend.
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Even if you just take one new thing away from the class, it will be worth it, no?
$20 is well worth it (Illinois pays the rest out of DMV fees, if you hold a IDL).
So even if I learned nothing at all, $20 is worth getting out and meeting and hanging out with other riders. However, I am sure I will get plenty out of it, especially the emergency braking and swerving sections.

People have told me that I should take the Intermediate, but I am not to crazy about doing that on a 450+lb Tiger. Ill wait until I have new tires on the SRX before that.
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$20 is well worth it (Illinois pays the rest out of DMV fees, if you hold a IDL).
So even if I learned nothing at all, $20 is worth getting out and meeting and hanging out with other riders. However, I am sure I will get plenty out of it, especially the emergency braking and swerving sections.

People have told me that I should take the Intermediate, but I am not to crazy about doing that on a 450+lb Tiger. Ill wait until I have new tires on the SRX before that.
Both Intermediate and Beginner classes use program supplies motorcycles. The Intermediate would probably be better for you. I posted a week ago about a bunch of "I" classes that were gonna get canceled unless people enrolled in them, but there really weren't any takers and the classes were canceled.

The intermediate class is basically the day two stuff from the beginner class, with a couple of day 1 exercises in the beginning to make sure the participants have at least basic clutch control.

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Both Intermediate and Beginner classes use program supplies motorcycles. The Intermediate would probably be better for you. I posted a week ago about a bunch of "I" classes that were gonna get canceled unless people enrolled in them, but there really weren't any takers and the classes were canceled.

The intermediate class is basically the day two stuff from the beginner class, with a couple of day 1 exercises in the beginning to make sure the participants have at least basic clutch control.
I looked into it when you posted that. Sounded like a good idea but will be out of town for the weekend.
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So if I just show up to one of these, it's $20? I like that.

Also good that they provide bikes for you. I'm not to keen at doing those parking lot maneuvers on my bike.
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So if I just show up to one of these, it's $20? I like that.

Also good that they provide bikes for you. I'm not to keen at doing those parking lot maneuvers on my bike.
If you just show up - it costs nothing (unless you feel so inclined to donate) The $23 dollars at online registration is a $3 dollar non-refundable service charge, and the other $20 is a refundable amount to hold the spot. You can get the refund if you attend the whole class, otherwise the program keeps it. This helps to minimize the number of people who sign up and then dont show.

We typically ask to "keep" the money but its up to each person.

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I think its worth a buck an hour, no?

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Think about it:

20 hours of classroom and range instruction
the use of a motorcycle that you dont have to pay for damages on if you fall or drop it
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Really cool instructors to spend the weekend with

I think its worth a buck an hour, no?
I dont know...aren't those motorcycles used though?
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I dont know...aren't those motorcycles used though?
Yes, whats your point?

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Were you joking then?

Make it funny next time.

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Being sarcastic. Of course its a damn good deal.
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I might even be able to drag my wife along to be a walk-in, since she wants to get a little scooter or CL90 for in-town commuting.
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I think its worth a buck an hour, no?
Right on. I gladly let them keep my little $20.00. My wife got in last year as a walk-in at COD. Wouldnt have cost her a dime, but I made her give the $20. donation. FWIW, show-up was so slim they took ALL the walk-ins(BRC).
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I have taken both courses, I STONGLY recommend the INT. course. Perfect way to re-learn the basics in one day. The BEG. course was far to long and (for lack of a better word) boring, for someone who has ridden for quite a few years. If I didn't have any experience I would have enjoyed it much more I am sure.

Plus, you get to meet some new people and do all that riding on someone elses bike and gas, it cant get much better than that. Both classes I donated the $$$ because I would love to one day have my kids take those courses, so if a donation helps keep it going I am more than willing to help out.

I strongly encourage anyone to go take the course, I am gonna try to get in to an EXP rider one next year just for the fun of it.

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Totally forgot to post this earlier. Tomorrow, yah I know, short notice, I will be doing an intermediate class at Great Lakes VA hospital and only have 7 on the list. I have a suspicion that not everyone is going to show up. And if I do not get 6 I would have to cancel another class.

SO, show up tomorrow and take the damn class It is on 137 just east of Green bay. Or meet me for Breakfast at Full Moon around 6:40am and I will hold your hand getting there to make sure that you are not lost

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DUUUUUUDE. Had a great weekend taking the BRC at CLC. Everyone in my class had never ridden a MC before (riding range closest to the buildings in parking lot 3). Throughout the day, some people in my group had a few lock-ups and unintential burn-outs resulting in hitting the asphalt, but they got right up, hopped back on the little TW200/Rebel 250/Nighthawk 250 and not only kept going, but improved greatly through out the weekend. One dude in another group yesterday lost it bad, did not get up. They stopped everthing. Everyone looked on at a distance with sincere concern. Took him away in the Fire/Rescure truck. He was awake, talking, and moving around a little, so I am sure he'll be fine. Pretty sure it was a highside during the braking exercises.

I got a 100% on the written, and MOST of the riding portion was a no-brainer and came naturally. I have been riding for 20+ years on the street, and I discovered that I am not as an accomplished rider as I thought I was. Straight lines, curves, intersections and riding at speed is easy. Going 1-2mph, making a 90 degree turn in the space that an office L-shaped desk takes up, and 2 U-turns in a 10x20 box aint all that easy on a XT225 (which they put me on because of my riding experience). I had to put my foot down once and kept going out of the box most of the time during practice, where most of the newbies did not.
Not embarrassed to confess it. I now know what I need to work on before the IRC in the spring, which they also provide the bikes for.

If you other 'experienced riders' out there have never taken the BRC or other comparable class, I highly recommend you do. The MSF instructors were excellent, and gave it to you straight if you needed to change something. They were very clear in their instructions and rode the course themselves to show you what they wanted to see. I was very impressed with the instructors, and impressed by the newbies with their decision in getting instruction before hitting the streets. I am also glad that not a single one of them wanted to hop on a bike that would be too powerful for their first bike. Never heard word SPORTBIKE all weekend. They all wanted small (250) to mid sized (500-600) standards and crusiers. One rather large women wants a HD883, which for her size, I think is also realistic.

Another bonus is that the course is FREE. You can pay $20 to reserve your seat and opt to get it back at the end, or just be a walk-up and hope there is room in the class of 10 people for you, which there was this past weekend.

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Do remember though, doing a slow U-turn and not putting your foot down gets you cool points, but is not necessarily a life saving maneuver, so dont sweat it.

Glad you had fun, really strange to hear there were so many crashes though. Its cuz I wasnt there.

I always tell the participants that they are the by-product of superior instruction.

Anyhow glad you could make it!
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