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Perhaps I'm out of line here.... if so, let me know.

Don't know how many of you have dealt with FuelMotoUsa.com

Thing that sold me on becoming their customer was the fact that they say the provide custom maps for their customers. Now, obviously bringing your bike to get it dyno'd with a Power Commander is the way to go, however the issue at hand is not with their maps being the best.

I put on a higher flow air filter kit for my motard. Send an email asking for a map, not necessarily one form my particular kit. I'm reasonable and realize they didn't dyno every possible combination on my particular bike. However, I said any map they have that they tested with increased air intake would do. So in couple of days they email me back with the map. Now here is the kicker:

They downloaded a map from dynojet website, renamed it, and send it to me as theirs. Am I wrong to feel insulted?!?

Perhaps I need to get some sand out of my vagina, but I can't shake of the feeling that they could've just said "we haven't had a chance to dyno your bike model other than stock (their stock map for my bike is different than any of the dynojets map), sorry" instead of doing what they did.

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I would think that if they didn't change any of the map from dynojet other than renaming it, and then sold it to you as their map, that would be some sort of crime..

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it doesnt soun d like they sell the map per say, they give you a map based on parts you bought

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No, they don't charge per map. They just provide custom map support for product purchased from them. I'd be livid if I paid per map and that's what they gave me lol
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Oh! If it's free you're always rollin the dice bro. I agree with at least giving you a heads up about where they got the map from.

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douche your vag. Sorry to be a little rough but i have dealt personally with fuelmoto. They are the cheapest on the net for power commanders and they actually provide customer service. At least when i dealt with them 4 years ago. Drive or trailer the bike up there for a 140 dollar dynotunning and custom map. I did 4 years ago and loved it. The owner was cool as hell, answered all my questions, and even let me watch him dyno tune it.
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douche your vag. Sorry to be a little rough but i have dealt personally with fuelmoto. They are the cheapest on the net for power commanders and they actually provide customer service. At least when i dealt with them 4 years ago. Drive or trailer the bike up there for a 140 dollar dynotunning and custom map. I did 4 years ago and loved it. The owner was cool as hell, answered all my questions, and even let me watch him dyno tune it.
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Considering, that is probably the most inaccurate way to tune your bike I wouldnt worry about it. Truly custom maps made the proper way for your specific bike will cost you 300 and up.




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Perhaps I'm out of line here.... if so, let me know.

Don't know how many of you have dealt with FuelMotoUsa.com

Thing that sold me on becoming their customer was the fact that they say the provide custom maps for their customers. Now, obviously bringing your bike to get it dyno'd with a Power Commander is the way to go, however the issue at hand is not with their maps being the best.

I put on a higher flow air filter kit for my motard. Send an email asking for a map, not necessarily one form my particular kit. I'm reasonable and realize they didn't dyno every possible combination on my particular bike. However, I said any map they have that they tested with increased air intake would do. So in couple of days they email me back with the map. Now here is the kicker:

They downloaded a map from dynojet website, renamed it, and send it to me as theirs. Am I wrong to feel insulted?!?

Perhaps I need to get some sand out of my vagina, but I can't shake of the feeling that they could've just said "we haven't had a chance to dyno your bike model other than stock (their stock map for my bike is different than any of the dynojets map), sorry" instead of doing what they did.

Your thoughts?

When buying a Power Commander you also have to budget for a dyno tune. All bikes are different even the exact same models. Whats good for one bike could be harmful to the next bike.

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Perhaps I'm out of line here.... if so, let me know.

Don't know how many of you have dealt with FuelMotoUsa.com

Thing that sold me on becoming their customer was the fact that they say the provide custom maps for their customers. Now, obviously bringing your bike to get it dyno'd with a Power Commander is the way to go, however the issue at hand is not with their maps being the best.

I put on a higher flow air filter kit for my motard. Send an email asking for a map, not necessarily one form my particular kit. I'm reasonable and realize they didn't dyno every possible combination on my particular bike. However, I said any map they have that they tested with increased air intake would do. So in couple of days they email me back with the map. Now here is the kicker:

They downloaded a map from dynojet website, renamed it, and send it to me as theirs. Am I wrong to feel insulted?!?

Perhaps I need to get some sand out of my vagina, but I can't shake of the feeling that they could've just said "we haven't had a chance to dyno your bike model other than stock (their stock map for my bike is different than any of the dynojets map), sorry" instead of doing what they did.

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Oh! If it's free you're always rollin the dice bro. I agree with at least giving you a heads up about where they got the map from.
It isn't free, when it's their selling point, and reason I'd choose them over someone cheaper.

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douche your vag. Sorry to be a little rough but i have dealt personally with fuelmoto. They are the cheapest on the net for power commanders and they actually provide customer service. At least when i dealt with them 4 years ago. Drive or trailer the bike up there for a 140 dollar dynotunning and custom map. I did 4 years ago and loved it. The owner was cool as hell, answered all my questions, and even let me watch him dyno tune it.
I like it rough, no reason to appologize That being said, they are not the cheapest, and customer service is the reason I was willing to pay more. If I didn't live over 1000 miles away from them, I'd considering taking the bike there lol.

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Considering, that is probably the most inaccurate way to tune your bike I wouldnt worry about it. Truly custom maps made the proper way for your specific bike will cost you 300 and up.
I'm pretty sure the most inaccurate way to tune a bike is to adjust fuel settings without every dynoing the bike They had my make and model bike that they dyno'd. I'm not looking to get max horsepower/torque out of it, just wanted to get rid of the original lean fuel settings out of factory (due to EPA), and to be able to adjust fuel in case I mod intake/exhaust.

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When buying a Power Commander you also have to budget for a dyno tune. All bikes are different even the exact same models. Whats good for one bike could be harmful to the next bike.
Yes, there are slight difference between the bikes, but if your last sentence was correct, bikes would be in deep shit coming out of factories with the stock ECU Again, not looking really for power here, just a safe Air/Fuel ratio.

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I'm thinking maybe I should talk to him, instead of emailing Keith (guy responsible for the "custom" maps)

Though I did talk to Jamie once, before buying the PCV. He did seem little too busy to really answer my questions...
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I've had 2 bikes tuned there and made the 10 hr. round trip with no issues to speak of. It's more than worth the trip and their tuning is outstanding. It takes them about an hour to tune your bike and they do over 20 pulls tuning it in every part of the powerband. I've talked to the owner Jamie as much as I could, seeing as he's a rather quiet guy and from what he's told me, HE writes a lot of the base maps FOR dynojet and works hand in hand with them in teaching the use of their dynos. That would explain why the map you got was from Dynojet, and not necessarily from fuelmoto. As an example, I bought a 2003 AMA super sport GSXR600 from Indysuperbikes.com with a super sport spec motor with a custom tune, and then I took it to Fuel moto and he made 3hp over the custom map it had and the bike had more tq everwhere in the power band. Money well spent if you ask me. Just my $.02
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I've had 2 bikes tuned there and made the 10 hr. round trip with no issues to speak of. It's more than worth the trip and their tuning is outstanding. It takes them about an hour to tune your bike and they do over 20 pulls tuning it in every part of the powerband. I've talked to the owner Jamie as much as I could, seeing as he's a rather quiet guy and from what he's told me, HE writes a lot of the base maps FOR dynojet and works hand in hand with them in teaching the use of their dynos. That would explain why the map you got was from Dynojet, and not necessarily from fuelmoto. As an example, I bought a 2003 AMA super sport GSXR600 from Indysuperbikes.com with a super sport spec motor with a custom tune, and then I took it to Fuel moto and he made 3hp over the custom map it had and the bike had more tq everwhere in the power band. Money well spent if you ask me. Just my $.02
That's awesome. I have heard great things of Jamie and the shop. If I wanted to do this on a sportbike, where I need the power advantage, sure it'd be worth the drive. We're talking about a 250cc tard here though

Thing is, if he was indeed writing the maps for them,
1) his stock map and dynojets stock map would be the same. It's not even close
2) he'd just say, hey download the maps there! Yet he lists that as alternative to his custom maps...

As I've said, the issue I'm having is simply that I'd rather them say, sorry, we haven't had a chance to dyno your bike make/model with similar setup your best bet is to go with manufacturers map. I'm not expecting miracles here folks, i know bike is going to be nowhere near perfect without a dyno. I'm simply talking customer service here. If I knew they are just gonna send me dynojets map, I wouldn't waste their or my time. You know what I'm saying?
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Ken, I will when I see him Tuesday.

I was sent to Fuel Moto by Turn One, and I trust Joe, Marshall and Tom's recommendations. They have never steered me wrong over the last 2 years.

On to the matter at hand:

So you asked for a map for your bike based on a higher air intake. They sent you just such a map. I don't see the problem.

You said yourself that you don't expect them to have a map for each and every combination for your bike. So they did the best they could and sent a map from DynoJet. BTW: How do you know they didn't develop that map for DynoJet? They are nationally known for their maps.

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is it one of the newer dynojets?
grab one of the autotune modules, I got one on the husky and it helped things out on some of the problem areas I was having

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is it one of the newer dynojets?
grab one of the autotune modules, I got one on the husky and it helped things out some of the problem areas I was having

http://www.powercommander.com/powerc..._autotune.aspx
Hey bro, yeah I toyed with the idea of getting autotune, however, the bike doesn't incorporate an o2 sensor, so we're talking custom fab job... Otherwise I'd be all over it.
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Hey bro, yeah I toyed with the idea of getting autotune, however, the bike doesn't incorporate an o2 sensor, so we're talking custom fab job... Otherwise I'd be all over it.
Not sure if I would do it or not either, especially if its not your long term bike.

An 02 sensor bung is under 10 bucks last time I looked.
I had one put in a car exhaust awhile back and it was like 35 bucks or something.

I got a map for a Husky you could try

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Did anybody mention it's best to dyne tune the bike?




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Probably should have taken it to Safety First LOCALLY.....we dynotune a ton of stuff and have the Tuning Link software.

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Probably should have taken it to Safety First LOCALLY.....we dynotune a ton of stuff and have the Tuning Link software.

As noted on Dynojets website.....CERTIFIED TUNING CENTER
Kev, I would have thown your name in the hat of places to get it done but he is in dover, DE
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Doohh....missed that one. Yeah that's a little far for a dynotune.

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