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Gigantic waste of taxpayers' money on 55 between 30 & 126?

What is this wall? How much has been wasted to "hide" the highway from the frontage road and houses behind it? No wonder this state is broke & our local taxes are through the roof.

edit...$16M so far for noise barriers...

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noise break, does wonders for the houses there and their noise pollution issue?

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do you mean sound barriers?

How about this, don't move into subdivision that's right on the damn highway!

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Do the additions of sound barriers raise the property values of the homes back there?

If yes, then there IS a tax benefit to recoup some of the cost.
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do you mean sound barriers?

How about this, don't move into subdivision that's right on the damn highway!
Seriously, those residents should be on the hook for the cost of these and not all of us. It is not like the expressway was built after their house was.

When we were in the market for house and we chcked out a few homes near an expressway, I could not believe that people lived like that. The constant buzzing/humming would have drove me nuts.

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Those sound barriers are dictated by State and Federal guidelines for "noise pollution" from highways. The added lanes on 55 south of 126 boosted the calculated noise impact from the motoring public to those homes and as such the State level for tolerated impact or "warrant" was exceeded.

It's part of the understood agreement between the DOT and the people it serves/impacts. Basically a keep the peace kind of thing for changing and increasing highway use.

You know I'm no apologist for spending, but there are a multitude of projects I'd put in front of this one for waste.

You want the real problem with that project? The fact that it sat for 2 months while the labor union negotiated their raise this summer.

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I chose to not live by the highway and I'm probably footing the bill. All the while, the union in charge sat on their ass to strike for a good portion of it. I pass it everyday to work. I'm going to run for office and fire everyone.

Not to mention, they look like shit and gives you that really nice "boxed in" feeling.

edit...Negotiated their raise. Like the kind of hourly wages they extort aren't high enough already.

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I don't see anything wrong with it or living near a highway. I don't see how people can live on a busy street and having to back out of their driveway.

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do you mean sound barriers?

How about this, don't move into subdivision that's right on the damn highway!
These are all over 294. What about the guys who bought back before it was a 20 lane road with the traffic was half of what was today with minimum truck traffic?

You don't think there should be noise pollution levels?

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These are all over 294. What about the guys who bought back before it was a 20 lane road with the traffic was half of what was today with minimum truck traffic?

You don't think there should be noise pollution levels?
Those barriers on 294 are not fairing well. They made a poor decision on the product, they're already falling apart. Shame, because they weren't cheap.

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Those sound barriers are dictated by State and Federal guidelines for "noise pollution" from highways. The added lanes on 55 south of 126 boosted the calculated noise impact from the motoring public to those homes and as such the State level for tolerated impact or "warrant" was exceeded.
Aren't those new subdivisions?

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I don't see anything wrong with it or living near a highway. I don't see how people can live on a busy street and having to back out of their driveway.
Too each is own on living next to a highway, and I 100% agree with you about living on a busy street and backing out of a driveway. I drive down Golf Rd every day and it is lined with driveways in certain areas. It amazes me how those people do it.

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I lived at 55 and 126 for 10 years. There was nothing between my backyard and 55. I left because of the ridiculous amount of traffic, not because of the noise. That subdivision is going down the hill anyway. Glad Im out x 1,000,000 !

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The area I'm referring to is a newer area.

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The area I'm referring to is a newer area.
It doesn't matter. It's a noise impact warrant within a specified distance from the highway depending on a few design parameters. As soon as that warrant is exceeded, the State is required to act.

This is how stop lights, guardrail, crash barriers and sound barriers among other things are implemented.

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It doesn't matter. It's a noise impact warrant within a specified distance from the highway depending on a few design parameters. As soon as that warrant is exceeded, the State is required to act.

This is how stop lights, guardrail, crash barriers and sound barriers among other things are implemented.
I think I am understanding what you are trying to say, and if I am correct then I believe it to be a faulty law/logic. That's all.

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they certainly make sense if the highway is expanding and it's a residential area but how about the ones that line Deerfield Public Golf Course, WTF?


Cerk, the ones falling apart. Do you mean the new ones in Park Ridge by Dempster?

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I live a about 1.5 miles east of the new sound barriers between 30 and 126. I swear since they've gone up we hear MORE highway noise than before. It may just be me but I don't ever remember it being this noticeable.
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Those damn sound walls cost my company about a million bucks in consrtuction costs as we had to move all of our existing fiber optic lines along frontage road so they could put those up. Of course they state doesnt reimburse us for that




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I think I am understanding what you are trying to say, and if I am correct then I believe it to be a faulty law/logic. That's all.
...yeah well that's the price the State has to pay for taking private land for highways (yes, that's the root of the regulation...not all landowners go voluntarily). There are the games that are played to get residents to go along with projects like this.

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they certainly make sense if the highway is expanding and it's a residential area but how about the ones that line Deerfield Public Golf Course, WTF?


Cerk, the ones falling apart. Do you mean the new ones in Park Ridge by Dempster?
Could be...there's a few spots, all built in the last 5 years or so. Really bad decision by the State/designer on that.

...as for the golf course, generally when the State acquires land from private owners for highways or highway expansions there is a negotiation (land acquisition) period where these things are hashed out. The golf course must have seen the highway as a blight on their property, the state must have agreed and worked it in to the agreement. We just had to put one up (screening) along a historic home in Indiana...part of the ROW acquisition agreement with the land owner and the neighboring residents.

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Those damn sound walls cost my company about a million bucks in consrtuction costs as we had to move all of our existing fiber optic lines along frontage road so they could put those up. Of course they state doesnt reimburse us for that
Ha! ...at least they didn't push it on the poor contractor!

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Seriously, those residents should be on the hook for the cost of these and not all of us. It is not like the expressway was built after their house was.

When we were in the market for house and we chcked out a few homes near an expressway, I could not believe that people lived like that. The constant buzzing/humming would have drove me nuts.
I would love to have constant noise. It would cover up the tinnitus (Ringing in the ears) that I have. I hate quiet.

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they certainly make sense if the highway is expanding and it's a residential area but how about the ones that line Deerfield Public Golf Course, WTF?


Cerk, the ones falling apart. Do you mean the new ones in Park Ridge by Dempster?
Sound pollution requirements. Everyone should really be thankful for it. Its expensive but its better than hearing all that shit all night.

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Really, you might be surprised at the lengths the State(s) will go on this. Prior to new construction, most agencies set up sound meters for a predetermined length of time to establish a baseline for noise pollution in the area. They then compare that with the anticipated levels from the new highway traffic...if that total exceeds the state limit the walls go up.

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