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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 11-30-2010, 06:57 PM Thread Starter
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Right before the holidays? wtf

My buddy who has been with his company for 8 years is being forced to relocate to Minnesota or get fired. He works for a restaurant chain. He can't relocate. He is married and they have three kids and both their families are in the area. So they are giving him his two weeks. wtf is up with companies doing things like this so close to the holidays? It is just plain cruel.

"includes 10 used-car dealers or auto repair shops, 11 liquor stores and bars--two of which advertise lingerie fashion shows and a third billed as a "gentlemen's club"--three cut-rate motels and one trailer park. The squat, brick municipal building is next to a currency exchange and a few steps from an adult video store. The bars open at 10 a.m. and close at 6:30 a.m."

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Thats fucked up man. Tell your buddy to come out to the bench racing gathering Saturday night and we will get him drunk.

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Thats fucked up man. Tell your buddy to come out to the bench racing gathering Saturday night and we will get him drunk.
He just texted me that he did in fact tell them he is staying here. His last day is the 12th. Man, he must be ready to jump off a fricken cliff.

It's just weird that so many people get canned so close to the holidays. Why don't they do this kind of thing at the middle of the year? Is it related to the fiscal calendar? Meaning if they are jan to dec, it's about tidying up the bottom line?

"includes 10 used-car dealers or auto repair shops, 11 liquor stores and bars--two of which advertise lingerie fashion shows and a third billed as a "gentlemen's club"--three cut-rate motels and one trailer park. The squat, brick municipal building is next to a currency exchange and a few steps from an adult video store. The bars open at 10 a.m. and close at 6:30 a.m."

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Every company has an end of the year plan. It's cold blooded, wrong and completely fucked how they screw people. You wonder how some of the pricks can sleep at night knowing in the back of their head they completely fucked someone and their family in the ass.

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From what I know, yes, most of the time its related to fiscal calendar/annual planning somehow. However, I'm also pretty sure that's just how it goes. I doubt people intentionally plans layoffs around the holiday time.

Last week I had to tell someone he would be laid off (tell him his contract wouldn't be extended which is pretty much the same thing in our business), first one for me. His last day is tomorrow (he was scheduled to go on vacation and essentially I told him not to come back). It sucked ass to tell him that kind of news right before Thanksgiving, but I assure you it had nothing to do with holidays.

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I had a friend lose his job with 1 week notice less than a week before Xmas a few years ago...at the same company that eventually let go all but 90 people or so, from 400.

Tough times for many people. Bummer. Tell him to take it as a chance to be with his family for the holidays and look for greener pastures in the new year.

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He can't relocate, or doesn't want to? Hey, it was ultimately his decision NOT to keep his job.
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Perhaps however, this ain't the same as getting straight up fired. Pretty sure his relocation costs would've been covered by the company, so it wouldn't put too much of a financial strain on him and his family. It would obviously however put him out of his comfort zone. Again, this wasn't a straight fuck you, you're out of a job before holidays thing, it was hey, we need ya here or we gonna hire someone else.
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Perhaps however, this ain't the same as getting straight up fired. Pretty sure his relocation costs would've been covered by the company, so it wouldn't put too much of a financial strain on him and his family. It would obviously however put him out of his comfort zone. Again, this wasn't a straight fuck you, you're out of a job before holidays thing, it was hey, we need ya here or we gonna hire someone else.
And what sucks.... is this is how the state sees it. You voluntarily gave up your job, not that the company fired you. He won't be eligible for unemployment.
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Sorry to hear that WSE. A gal at my office got quietly laid off today as well... we haven't heard why or whether there were more cuts.

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Pretty sure his relocation costs would've been covered by the company, so it wouldn't put too much of a financial strain on him and his family.
Would you still stand by your opinion if WSE's friend had to pay for the move out of pocket? After all, you are making the above presumption here... WSE never stated the full terms that his friend was offered.


So here's a general question. Since layoffs generally occur around the end of the calendar/fiscal year, would you rather be laid off before or after the holidays?
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Sorry to hear that WSE. A gal at my office got quietly laid off today as well... we haven't heard why or whether there were more cuts.



Would you still stand by your opinion if WSE's friend had to pay for the move out of pocket? After all, you are making the above presumption here... WSE never stated the full terms that his friend was offered.


So here's a general question. Since layoffs generally occur around the end of the calendar/fiscal year, would you rather be laid off before or after the holidays?
I vote for option C. Never.






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And what sucks.... is this is how the state sees it. You voluntarily gave up your job, not that the company fired you. He won't be eligible for unemployment.
That's not necessarily the case. They still have the option to lay him off or fire him. If it was a decent company, they would lay him off.

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Would you still stand by your opinion if WSE's friend had to pay for the move out of pocket? After all, you are making the above presumption here... WSE never stated the full terms that his friend was offered.


So here's a general question. Since layoffs generally occur around the end of the calendar/fiscal year, would you rather be laid off before or after the holidays?
It's not an opinion, but a fact. He was given a choice. And assuming the worst (no relocation assistance) it doesn't change that. It makes it shittier, sure, but the ball is still in his court. Times are hard right now, and people have to be willing to do what is necessary to provide for their family. Keep in mind, that not all companies are automatically evil either. As much as they might wanna care about their employees, the well being of the company as a whole comes first. If they need him somewhere else, based on his qualifications, than that's what it is. They could've just fired/layed him off, if his skills weren't that rare (which obviously they weren't since they had no problem getting rid of him). So, without a special skill set, making him more retain-able, they still offered to keep him before looking for a replacement elsewhere.

As for the second part of your question, I'd rather not get laid off But frankly, it doesn't matter to me. One way or the other, it's gonna suck. I try to keep enough savings to get my family thru whatever hardship, regardless of the time of year.
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its that time of year, or as I like to call it... "layoff season" fucking sucks, but all these companies want everyone off the books for the new year. every year for the last 10 years my christmas has been utterly ruined by worrying about wether or not the hammer is gonna fall. sucks, but what can you do?




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Right before the holidays? wtf

+1 to what Jay said. I gotta stick to my capitalistic guns. Plus, it's not personal, it's business. Sometimes the hard thing to do hurts but it's what's best for the company and the rest of it's employees. Besides.... If Obama wasn't fuckin killing small business this kinda shit would happen less!!!


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So here's a general question. Since layoffs generally occur around the end of the calendar/fiscal year, would you rather be laid off before or after the holidays?
before. i got laid off from a bank about 10 years ago a couple days before thanksgiving. i was distressed for about...ohh...5 minutes. then i found out i was getting a sweet severance package and all my year-end bonuses.

i was able to enjoy the holidays with my family, minus the dread of having to go back to a job i wasn't crazy about in the first place, and spent the rest of the winter snowboarding in the rockies. the whole experience gave me a new perspective of what is *really* important in my life. (hint: it's not work)

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Dang, the timing certainly sucks ass. Hope he finds something else.

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It's the timing that strikes me. Even if he did relocate. The relocation would be next week. That is one hell of a pain in the ass trying to relocate during the holidays. Good luck getting everything in order. Asking someone to relocate in between thanksgiving and xmas is just plain cruel. I am just curious why so much of this happens during the holidays. I guess it is fiscal year related.

The details are that the company is not paying for the relocation and he would be taking a 2 level demotion. Doesn't get any more shitty than that.

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They happen now because someone wants their bonus and if that means fucking someone over in order to make the numbers, they will. He should help their competitors run them into the ground. That's the best revenge. After all, it's just business.

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It's the timing that strikes me. Even if he did relocate. The relocation would be next week. That is one hell of a pain in the ass trying to relocate during the holidays. Good luck getting everything in order. Asking someone to relocate in between thanksgiving and xmas is just plain cruel. I am just curious why so much of this happens during the holidays. I guess it is fiscal year related.

The details are that the company is not paying for the relocation and he would be taking a 2 level demotion. Doesn't get any more shitty than that.
I had to deal with this from AT&T back in 2004. They told us they were shutting down our Schaumburg location but were doing possable interviews in Florida. But the kickers were: 1. Not paying for relocation 2. Unable to make sure that you would get a job. So I told my boss, in front of the whole group of 50 people, that they would be fools for chasing a job and to lay memory and give me my severance package and unemployment. I made some serious bank. It sucks there is nothing work wise what I do out here now but I'll never chase something again and that even includes women. Either it works out or it doesn't. Plain and simple.

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Offering your friend a job in another state just seems like a pussy way to cover their ass from paying the unemployment. Unless you are making tons of $$$ or have a job that requires you to travel so much that you are never home anyhow is not reasonable. Picking up and leaving friends, family, your home, neighborhood, schools if they have kids, spouses job, etc. for a job is nuts in my opinion. Especially since there is always the possibility that they can still get rid of you a year down the road if you were to set up your new life there.
Perhaps a little too philosophical but a company assuming people can just be shuffled around like chess pieces without any regard to the actual person is a bit dehumanizing. This sort of work culture is shitty for morale.
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It's the timing that strikes me. Even if he did relocate. The relocation would be next week. That is one hell of a pain in the ass trying to relocate during the holidays. Good luck getting everything in order. Asking someone to relocate in between thanksgiving and xmas is just plain cruel. I am just curious why so much of this happens during the holidays. I guess it is fiscal year related.

The details are that the company is not paying for the relocation and he would be taking a 2 level demotion. Doesn't get any more shitty than that.
That is shitty. It sounds like the company is trying to fire him without "firing" him so they don't have to pay out.

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They happen now because someone wants their bonus and if that means fucking someone over in order to make the numbers, they will. He should help their competitors run them into the ground. That's the best revenge. After all, it's just business.

My dad was laid off every christmas, then re-hired a week later for years. They didn't want to give people their bonuses. He's management at a major corporation. I guess it's fairly common (yet totally shitty) practice.
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He might be able to get unemploymentas the comapny is leaving the state and he has to relocate on his dime and uproot his family, i think he could still qualify as they no longer are offering a job in the state of illinois. I think a good lawyer could pick this aprt to make them payup. no wonder why people go postal. there should be some type of service that has a pool of terminally sick patients that dont give a fuck anymore and their job is to go into these corporate headquarters of companys who are super sneaky cocksuckers and we pay the terminally ill guys say starting at $100k per dick head they whack that the money goes to the sic guys family when he dies, i think there might be alot more corporate decisions that wouldnt be so Self motivated or based on self as for their bonuses and bottom lines!

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