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Contract fail-- what would you do?

I'm gonna try to keep this short:

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Contract with my wedding photographer was $x, paid up front, in cash. (Receipt was given, contract signed by both parties). In return, she shows up at my house at 2pm, takes pics there, heads to the church and takes pics there, then heads to the reception and takes pics there til 10pm. In addition, she comes to the church the next morning for my daughter's christening and takes pics for 1 hr. Delivery of all photos on a DVD to be sent no later than 6 weeks from date of event.

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Photographer shows up at my house at 2pm, takes pics. Bridal party heads to church, photographer doesn't show up til midway through the ceremony. No pics of bridal party getting ready at the church, no pics of bride or bridal party walking down the aisle, no pic of groom looking as happy as ever. No pics of vows or anything. Photographer arrives, driving her own car, at church WASTED drunk. Wedding planner meets her outside, figures this out, finally gets her sorted out and into the church in time to capture retreating down the aisle in utter wedded bliss. At this point, photographer is in complete breadown mode, crying, and informs me that she's missed the ceremony. I tell her to stop talking and keep working. I go about my day as a happy bride and pretend this isn't happening. Rest of the evening goes fine. Pictures turn out ok-- everything else at the church was obiovusly not as good because there was some tension there.

Two days after wedding I find out about the drunkenness. A few weeks after the wedding I find out she's been in jail for this kind of thing before, in California. Anderson Cooper even did an expose on her. She moves to IL, starts fresh, and somehow gets this all expunged from the internet (so my background checking on her in advnace of the wedding yielded nothing but some recent good reviews). Pictures arrive to my house 5 weeks later than contract specifies, after several unreturned phone calls and a lot of hounding on my part.

I also find out during this process that to supplement her lacking photography business, she regularly babysits a 2 year old boy, including taking him in her car. I also find out she has a reputation in town for being a regular drinker and drug user. She's an admitted alcoholic.

I think that she should offer me some of my money back, or perhaps some additional services to make up for the umnet contract requierments and her lack of appearance at my wedding. I also have a hard time living with the fact that I know she's an alcoholic and caring for a child. Not sure what I can do affect that situation, but I would say ensuring this doesn't continue is the more important issue to me. The contract isn't as important as the child.

I have already looked into the court option. I can get a summary judgment against her here in TX (or in IL, if I wanted to travel). It wouldn't cost me a lot but I'd likely not see any financial return. It wouldn't affect her record in any way that would keep her from doing business.

So, what would you do if you were me? Letting it go is eating at me-- it sorta keeps me up at night. But don't want to go off in some direction that might prove foolish; I want to think this through.
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First, I would let everything unrelated to the photography go. Not your business.

Second, LETTERS LETTERS LETTERS! Get going on a letter writing campaign, hopefully it only takes one...but cordially and clearly spell out the contract and the details of events, not trying to make anyone look bad, just trying to say services weren't met. You might even leave out the drunkeness on the first try. Attach the contract along with the photos (noting the lack of certain parts) as exhibits and send certified mail. Create a clear paper trail attempting to get your compensation fairly and politely. If that doesn't work, consider small claims knowing you have an evidence trail to support you.

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If there were no nudes involved I would just let this one slide.

I neded that, thanks
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Try your best to walk away... getting further involved will only turn into a royal clusterfuck.
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is it worth the time, effort, money. to reclaim 'some' of your money? justice will not be served, shes not gonna lose the kid just because of your one complaint.

report her to the BBB and make sure to leave feedback on any if all internet searches of her.

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And just another piece of info:
My plan at the moment, is to call her (well, I have to be sneaky about that because she doesn't answer calls from my numbers anymore) and just say "ok well now that I have my pictures and the dust has settled, I would like to address the issue of the unmet contract requirements. How do you typically handle these matters when they arise? Do you have any suggestions?"
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Take her name as a new website. Post links on every forum you can find detailing your experience. Make sure to take pictures of her and post them.

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is it worth the time, effort, money. to reclaim 'some' of your money? justice will not be served, shes not gonna lose the kid just because of your one complaint.

report her to the BBB and make sure to leave feedback on any if all internet searches of her.
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Take her name as a new website. Post links on every forum you can find detailing your experience. Make sure to take pictures of her and post them.
That sounds fun, but I don't have the time or energy to be that vindictive.
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Is the kid hers or someone else that she's babysitting?
Someone else's that she's babysitting. But I have no clue the name of the kid or family. And I have no connections to help me find that out. Otherwise I would just call and inform the parent of the occurrence and leave them to make a decision.
My understanding is that it's a fairly regular job. She watches him several times a week.
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I can tell you from a career in chasing evasive and oft broke contractors around for shoddy work and missed payments that letters have by far the largest impact in getting a response...specifically related to business dealings because they can be presented legally as documented effort. You don't have to be mean or nasty, just trying to make things right. The certified mail part makes it clear you are not messing around.

I can almost guarantee some sort of response at the very least, though I can't guarantee it will be a positive one...it certainly should be professional though

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That sounds fun, but I don't have the time or energy to be that vindictive.
Post tits and Ill handle it.

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For the kid, none of your biznaz. For the contract, forget it, you're not getting anything back. If it still bothers you, screw her hubby or BF and get a pro photog to take some pics and send them to her to show her how it's done! Seriously though, in 15 years when you're 300 pounds and on your 4th husband all this won't matter much.

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Seriously though, in 15 years when you're 300 pounds
Maybe I can get a voucher from her for free services in the future, and get nakies of that!
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getting advice about real life questions and issues from clsb, w/o reading anything but the first post I know this is going to be good.
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Take her name as a new website. Post links on every forum you can find detailing your experience. Make sure to take pictures of her and post them.
and I like where this is heading already.

just make sure you only state the facts so she can't get you for libel or slander
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and I like where this is heading already.

just make sure you only state the facts so she can't get you for libel or slander
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getting advice about real life questions and issues from clsb, w/o reading anything but the first post I know this is going to be good.
That's the thing. I'm being uncreative and nice. I need clsb to push me in a direction more appropriate for this lowlife beotch.
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That's the thing. I'm being uncreative and nice. I need clsb to push me in a direction more appropriate for this lowlife beotch.
Leave a 1.5l of booze on her front step. She won't be able to keep herself from getting plastered right then on the spot. Wait 45 minutes after she takes it inside then ring the door bell and kick her ass. She won't remember a thing.

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Leave a 1.5l of booze on her front step. She won't be able to keep herself from getting plastered right then on the spot. Wait 45 minutes after she takes it inside then ring the door bell and kick her ass. She won't remember a thing.
I have her address. Maybe I can get Ody on this.
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from the photographer view I say taze her ass. get vindictive because probably getting cash is unlikely as she spent it on booze already.
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