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Reduce impaired driving. In 2009, 29% of motorcyclists killed in crashes had blood-alcohol contents above the legal limit for operating a motor vehicle.
I dont understand people that get shit canned sloppy and decide to get on their bike. Makes about as much sense as the guy at the bar the other night telling me he's had his 600 up to 204mph.
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I dont understand people that get shit canned sloppy and decide to get on their bike. Makes about as much sense as the guy at the bar the other night telling me he's had his 600 up to 204mph.
That's possible!



.... in a vertical drop from an airplane. ( I would guess, for details I would need to calculate...)

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That's possible!



.... in a vertical drop from an airplane. ( I would guess, for details I would need to calculate...)
what if you put a 9 hundred in a 600 frame?
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what if you put a 9 hundred in a 600 frame?
Than you could race a BMW down the EOE.... if you had the balls... We have to go back and look for that guy, he wanted to race for titles, right?

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The announcement follows an Insurance Institute for Highway Safety study showing that motorcycles equipped with anti-lock brakes are 37% less likely to be involved in a fatal crash than models without them.
If I recall it is usually the rider who is able to avoid a crash, I doubt that you would reduce fatalities by 37% by simply putting anti lock brakes on all motorcycles. Most (not all) crashes are still not the primary fault of the motorcyclist. So again having ABS isn't going to help getting rear ended or side swiped. or t-bones, ect. ABS may only help in the crashes where the motorcyclist was not able to stop in time. Notice I say motorcyclist, because most of the time it is the rider who is not able to properly use the motorcycle to its fullest capabilities, not the lack of braking on the motorcycle.

Though if I were wrong and by some chance it could reduce fatalities by 37%, then I have no issues for street bikes, just cannot imagine it happening.

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Most (not all) crashes are still not the primary fault of the motorcyclist. So again having ABS isn't going to help getting rear ended or side swiped. or t-bones, ect. ABS may only help in the crashes where the motorcyclist was not able to stop in time.
Corey, I would respectfully disagree. While I have no data, I would estimate that 80-90% of motorcycle accidents are due to rider error in the end. That statistic about anti-lock brakes doesnt suggest that they are stopping or slowing more quickly, just that they are doing it without locking the front wheel and lowsiding. Thats my take. There have been plenty of situations Ive been in on the street where I would have become a statistic if that same situation occurred earlier in my life when I was just starting to ride.

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which bikes are equiped with ABS?
It seems to me BMW has had ABS since the early 90's
What type of rider typically buys a BMW?
It seems to me that often you see BMW riders in full aero stitch suits and related safety gear
So riders who tend to value safety are less likey to be involved in fatal crashes
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I dont understand people that get shit canned sloppy and decide to get on their bike. Makes about as much sense as the guy at the bar the other night telling me he's had his 600 up to 204mph.
Does it make less sense than getting in a car shit canned sloppy?

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Corey, I would respectfully disagree. While I have no data, I would estimate that 80-90% of motorcycle accidents are due to rider error in the end. That statistic about anti-lock brakes doesnt suggest that they are stopping or slowing more quickly, just that they are doing it without locking the front wheel and lowsiding. Thats my take. There have been plenty of situations Ive been in on the street where I would have become a statistic if that same situation occurred earlier in my life when I was just starting to ride.
Hummm interesting, I would think of that more as 80-90% of crashes could have been avoided with proper skills and actions are taken. The initial fault was not the motorcyclist, but proper actions taken by the motorcyclist could have still prevented a crash. Example, you are traveling westbound on a two lane road coming up to a T intersection. There is a car at the intersection waiting to turn east bound, which will have to cross your lane to complete the turn. At the worst time the car pulls out in front of you. Some people would never hit the brakes, some might lay it down on purpose, some might try to swerve to avoid the car. In any case the situation although never 100% the car's fault, the fault for this incident would be the car's for compiling statistics. Skills may help in this situation, but just because a rider may not have the experience/skills at any given time, this should not absolve the original fault of the car. And I am not suggesting that that is what you meant Kegger.

I would agree with you if you were saying that 80-90% of crashes involving motorcycles could have been prevented with proper action and skills.

And I, like you, have no sources to quote for my thought up number, just my thoughts.

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Does anyone know where you can get the raw data that they use to calculate these figures?

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Does it make less sense than getting in a car shit canned sloppy?
To an extent, yes. You need balance to ride a bike, not drive a car. However, I singled out bike because of the statistic provided in the article.

This statement is not meant to be interpreted as me condoning operating any motor vehicle under the influence. It is a foolish, and extremely dangerous thing to do.
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Hummm interesting, I would think of that more as 80-90% of crashes could have been avoided with proper skills and actions are taken. The initial fault was not the motorcyclist, but proper actions taken by the motorcyclist could have still prevented a crash. Example, you are traveling westbound on a two lane road coming up to a T intersection. There is a car at the intersection waiting to turn east bound, which will have to ............
Yes and no, Corey. I am just saying that front wheel locking is probably a major reason for MC crashes (Ive done it twice that I know of) and that I could see that anti-lock brakes would lower those instances dramatically, and support the claims in reduction of 37%. You are taking the riders skill at braking out of the equation. Until a rider has trained those muscles and their brain to instinctively use a slow progressive squeeze (even in an emergency stop), the natural reaction is to grab the brake lever quickly with a death grip resulting in a fall and increased likelihood of hitting a stationary object once dismounted. I could see where many riders fall even if it was a car pulling out in front of them, where their braking was the cause of the fall, not the car pulling in front of them, if they had antilock brakes, they wouldnt have fallen and they would have stopped in time. So we are agreeing, but not agreeing at the same time. LOL!

We agree about the skills getting riders out of trouble.
We dont agree about the anti-lock brakes not helping. I think that it WOULD help substantially, especially with the severely under skilled rider population in the US.

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To an extent, yes. You need balance to ride a bike, not drive a car. However, I singled out bike because of the statistic provided in the article.

This statement is not meant to be interpreted as me condoning operating any motor vehicle under the influence. It is a foolish, and extremely dangerous thing to do.
Realistically though, once moving the centrifugal force of the wheels turning would allow a drunk person to drive in a straighter line on a motorcycle than in a car. Thats probably why you dont see as many motorcyclists as cars (and the fact that there are more cars on the road) getting pulled over for DUI. Its EASIER to ride a motorcycle at speed in a straight line than a car. True story.

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Yes and no, Corey. I am just saying that front wheel locking is probably a major reason for MC crashes (Ive done it twice that I know of) and that I could see that anti-lock brakes would lower those instances dramatically, and support the claims in reduction of 37%. You are taking the riders skill at braking out of the equation. Until a rider has trained those muscles and their brain to instinctively use a slow progressive squeeze (even in an emergency stop), the natural reaction is to grab the brake lever quickly with a death grip resulting in a fall and increased likelihood of hitting a stationary object once dismounted. I could see where many riders fall even if it was a car pulling out in front of them, where their braking was the cause of the fall, not the car pulling in front of them, if they had antilock brakes, they wouldnt have fallen and they would have stopped in time. So we are agreeing, but not agreeing at the same time. LOL!

We agree about the skills getting riders out of trouble.
We dont agree about the anti-lock brakes not helping. I think that it WOULD help substantially, especially with the severely under skilled rider population in the US.
As you stated it here, I completely understand what you mean now and agree

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