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Survielence camera system help

Anyone here good with surveillance camera systems? I need a system for my house to watch my vehicles and surround areas of my house. Wireless is prefered and it needs good clear night vision. Dvr would be nice but also hve an extra computer here I could use to keeps video files if that cheaper.




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I saw the damage you posted on FB... not pretty.

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I'd like to stay at 400 or less. I really only need 2-3 cameras to get started, But expandable would be nice.

,smartdrug, some little piece of shit threw a chunk of asphalt at the door of my truck. Broke the window of another vehicle down the block.

I have looked at tiger direct, new egg, amazon. Honestly there's so many choices out there, I am confused on what's good and what's shit. Hence why I'm asking, I don't want to buy some piece of shit, I want the best I can get on a reasonable budget. I'm not looking to shoot HD nature films here for discovery channel, but I need to be able to grabs license plate from a drive by egg thrower, or make out a face from some little jag wipe at night. Luckily there is a street light out front so I will have some light to work with.




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I still do installs and used to work at this place. http://www.matco.com

In your price range you are not going to get too much and no worries you will certainly not get HD. Megapixel stuff starts at like $500 a camera. I would recommend you just bite the bullet and run the wires, its only a single cable to run and you will get a much better picture and have so many more camera options without having the wireless restriction.

Make sure you get something at least with 500TVL of resolution, also I would very much recommend getting the cameras with the IR LED array on the front of them to help with your night time requirement. If you can find in your price range a day/night switching camera with the LED array and you will be golden. License plates really light up with IR light. Almost all cameras worth a grain of salt will switch to B/W with very low light or IR light conditions.

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I'd like to stay at 400 or less. I really only need 2-3 cameras to get started, But expandable would be nice.

,smartdrug, some little piece of shit threw a chunk of asphalt at the door of my truck. Broke the window of another vehicle down the block.

I have looked at tiger direct, new egg, amazon. Honestly there's so many choices out there, I am confused on what's good and what's shit. Hence why I'm asking, I don't want to buy some piece of shit, I want the best I can get on a reasonable budget. I'm not looking to shoot HD nature films here for discovery channel, but I need to be able to grabs license plate from a drive by egg thrower, or make out a face from some little jag wipe at night. Luckily there is a street light out front so I will have some light to work with.

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I still do installs and used to work at this place. http://www.matco.com

In your price range you are not going to get too much and no worries you will certainly not get HD. Megapixel stuff starts at like $500 a camera. I would recommend you just bite the bullet and run the wires, its only a single cable to run and you will get a much better picture and have so many more camera options without having the wireless restriction.

Make sure you get something at least with 500TVL of resolution, also I would very much recommend getting the cameras with the IR LED array on the front of them to help with your night time requirement. If you can find in your price range a day/night switching camera with the LED array and you will be golden. License plates really light up with IR light. Almost all cameras worth a grain of salt will switch to B/W with very low light or IR light conditions.

PM me or email if you have more specific questions. I have a roll of wire your welcome to if you decide to hard wire.
Actuallu I have a roll of wire here as well for that. one of my adt guys at the office hooked me up with it. if it makes a big difference to go hardline, then thats fine by me. I can do bnc connectors or whatever needed. I have the tools and the talent LOL

whats a good way to go with this? a card in my desktop with BNC connetors, the cable out to the cameras? whats a good camera to go with? is there a complete system I should be looking at?




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You want a durable outdoor camera, make sure they are well protected against the elements. Our winters will tear apart any camera not built for outdoor use. You can not get away with indoor use cams outdoor with our weather, they will be dead in months and you will have to pay double because you will have to replace them with the more expensive durable cams again.

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tony I have friends that build DVRs for this sort of thing as a business

you wont touch a dvr and several camera system that your be able to get license plates from for 400, heck the dvr i think is more than that alone.

especially being wireless, that will jack the price up a lot

I can put you in contact with them if you want and that can spec out a system for you from cameras all the way thru the dvr

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I deal with video imaging all the time. I highly suggest spending more $$ on the front end (now) because you will end up spending more later if you don't.

You'll certainly want the camera(s) to have a better night vision than YOU would normally think. Most offenses occur when it's dark.

Finally, I always suggest covert. If I know there is a camera I adjust my tactics. make sense?

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Actuallu I have a roll of wire here as well for that. one of my adt guys at the office hooked me up with it. if it makes a big difference to go hardline, then thats fine by me. I can do bnc connectors or whatever needed. I have the tools and the talent LOL

whats a good way to go with this? a card in my desktop with BNC connetors, the cable out to the cameras? whats a good camera to go with? is there a complete system I should be looking at?

If you only want to do like 4 cameras then in my honest opinion I would go with the standalone DVR. They usually run a baked in OS so you don't have to deal with windows updating bullshit or other Windoze issues. Make sure you verify that whatever DVR setup you go with will do hexaplex and then make sure it will do real time 30fps, they can advertise kinda tricky like 120fps, but that is total so always divide by camera count. Personally I would pick a closet or some other location and install the standalone DVR and a power distribution box and run all wiring there. Then you can remote into the DVR from any computer (mac) or cell phone.

The lack of specs on that thing posted by Kegger worries me. I have bought stuff from CloseoutCCTV a number of times also when the place I used to work was out of stock. Most systems will come with shitty wire and RCA connectors so it might be worth while for you to just buy the cameras and the DVR and a main location power supply then a kit. I don't know about others but I usually prefer the dome cameras because of their more secure mounting and overall vandal resistance.

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If you only want to do like 4 cameras then in my honest opinion I would go with the standalone DVR. They usually run a baked in OS so you don't have to deal with windows updating bullshit or other Windoze issues. Make sure you verify that whatever DVR setup you go with will do hexaplex and then make sure it will do real time 30fps, they can advertise kinda tricky like 120fps, but that is total so always divide by camera count. Personally I would pick a closet or some other location and install the standalone DVR and a power distribution box and run all wiring there. Then you can remote into the DVR from any computer (mac) or cell phone.

The lack of specs on that thing posted by Kegger worries me. I have bought stuff from CloseoutCCTV a number of times also when the place I used to work was out of stock. Most systems will come with shitty wire and RCA connectors so it might be worth while for you to just buy the cameras and the DVR and a main location power supply then a kit. I don't know about others but I usually prefer the dome cameras because of their more secure mounting and overall vandal resistance.

http://www.closeoutcctv.com/4-Ch-Cam...propk512sh.htm
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The lack of specs on that thing posted by Kegger worries me.....
Yeah, you have to call them to get the detailed specs. It isnt gonna be a great system, due to his price point, but probably sufficient for his needs. The reality is that without big bucks, getting a super clear shot of a face or license plate at night is gonna be dicey at best.

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http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-QLR464-4...952886&sr=1-19

I was also looking at something like this, but with as much as I hate windows, I'm guessing what your saying about a stand alone DVR would be a good idea.




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Yeah, you have to call them to get the detailed specs. It isnt gonna be a great system, due to his price point, but probably sufficient for his needs. The reality is that without big bucks, getting a super clear shot of a face or license plate at night is gonna be dicey at best.
Agreed you will have to get a pretty direct look at fairly close range with any of these systems to make out facial features.

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Agreed you will have to get a pretty direct look at fairly close range with any of these systems to make out facial features.
was actually considering mounting a camera inside my mailbox. with a small hole drilled in the side to keep an eye on my car. then bury the line up to the house.

I would need to small stealth cams for that setup. one pointing each way with a hole in both sides.




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I swear he just built a second garage too? Wait a sec? Who's rubbin what in...you have more space than me. I just have less cars and toys.

Sucks to see anyone's crap Fd with. Kid should lose his driving priveleges until he's 40 IMO.
Check out the trail cam. Heck you can borrow one of mine if you want for a couple weeks.
I actually did think about the trail cam, I think it might be too obvious though for where i need to mount it.

I have a 2 car garage. plus a one car off the back of the house for my dirt bike and lawn equipment. yours is still bigger LOL




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Sucks to see anyone's crap Fd with. Kid should lose his driving priveleges until he's 40 IMO.
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I hate that Lorex shit. Its all super cheap shit with a nice name on it, that Lorex capture card is a piece of shit, bad frame rate and only triplex (record, view, playback) means you cant run backups or antyhing with out stopping something. The Matco system is nice and that's a decent DVR, I have installed it at another place and they are happy with it. I have also used both of those cameras. The difference is in the cameras, that Closeout kit I sent has 480TVL cameras I think, these are only 420. Will you see a difference? Probably not.

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Originally Posted by HDTony View Post
was actually considering mounting a camera inside my mailbox. with a small hole drilled in the side to keep an eye on my car. then bury the line up to the house.

I would need to small stealth cams for that setup. one pointing each way with a hole in both sides.
Be very careful about covert stuff, technically it is illegal since you are recording public areas (street) with out notifying people that they are being recorded.

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