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Drug tests for government assistance in Fl

Saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Gov. Rick Scott on Tuesday signed legislation requiring adults applying for welfare assistance to undergo drug screening.

"It's the right thing for taxpayers," Scott said after signing the measure. "It's the right thing for citizens of this state that need public assistance. We don't want to waste tax dollars. And also, we want to give people an incentive to not use drugs."

Under the law, which takes effect on July 1, the Florida Department of Children and Family Services will be required to conduct the drug tests on adults applying to the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. The aid recipients would be responsible for the cost of the screening, which they would recoup in their assistance if they qualify. Those who fail the required drug testing may designate another individual to receive the benefits on behalf of their children.

Shortly after the bill was signed, five Democrats from the state's congressional delegation issued a joint statement attacking the legislation, one calling it "downright unconstitutional."

"Governor Scott's new drug testing law is not only an affront to families in need and detrimental to our nation's ongoing economic recovery, it is downright unconstitutional," said Rep. Alcee Hastings. "If Governor Scott wants to drug test recipients of TANF benefits, where does he draw the line? Are families receiving Medicaid, state emergency relief, or educational grants and loans next?"

Rep. Corrine Brown said the tests "represent an extreme and illegal invasion of personal privacy."

"Indeed, investigating people when there is probable cause to suspect they are abusing drugs is one thing," Brown said in the joint statement. "But these tests amount to strip searching our state's most vulnerable residents merely because they rely on the government for financial support during these difficult economic times."

Controversy over the measure was heightened by Scott's past association with a company he co-founded that operates walk-in urgent care clinics in Florida and counts drug screening among the services it provides.

In April, Scott, who had transferred his ownership interest in Solantic Corp. to a trust in his wife's name, said the company would not contract for state business, according to local media reports. He subsequently sold his majority stake in the company, local media reported.

On May 18, the Florida Ethics Commission ruled that two conflict-of-interest complaints against Scott were legally insufficient to warrant investigation, and adopted an opinion that no "prohibited conflict of interest" existed.

Also on Tuesday, Scott also signed a measure outlawing hallucinogenic designer drugs known as "bath salts."

"The chemical substances found in 'bath salts' constitute a significant threat to health and public safety," the governor's office said in a statement. "Poison control centers in Florida have reported 61 calls of 'bath salts' abuse, making Florida the state with the second-highest volume of calls."

The drugs "are readily available at convenience stores, discount tobacco outlets, gas stations, pawnshops, tattoo parlors, and truck stops, among other locations," the governor's office said.

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i see nothign wrong with drug screening for welfare



wtf is with the "bathsalt" add-in though

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Every state should do this. And not only while applying it for it, but ongoing at a random.

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Nothing wrong here. If the person is given cash they should be drug tested. They should also be prohibited from being allowed to enter any gamblig facility legal or otherwise.
I'm all for helping those in need but subsidizing their vices is another matter!

When is there going to be mandatory drug testing of elected officials? All Constitutional executive office holders, all legislative office holders and all elected judges at the local, state and federal level should be drug tested randomly and regularly!
If it's required of the workers why not the office holders?

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When is there going to be mandatory drug testing of elected officials? All Constitutional executive office holders, all legislative office holders and all elected judges at the local, state and federal level should be drug tested randomly and regularly!
If it's required of the workers why not the office holders?
I came here to say this. If they are requiring welfare recipients to undergo drug testing for receiving tax payer dollars, so should all employees that receive a pay check that comes for tax payer dollars.

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I came here to say this. If they are requiring welfare recipients to undergo drug testing for receiving tax payer dollars, so should all employees that receive a pay check that comes for tax payer dollars.
Yep, including teachers, cops, firemen, etc. I know half of the teachers in my high school would have been in big trouble

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I came here to say this. If they are requiring welfare recipients to undergo drug testing for receiving tax payer dollars, so should all employees that receive a pay check that comes for tax payer dollars.
I agree and most goverment employees get drug test and some get random like I do.

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Random drug testing has been in place for Tollway and IDOT employees for at least 15 years. All employees that drove or operated equipment names were put into a computer and once a month it kicked out a list...If you were on that list your immediate supervisor was notified and you had to be tested before you were allowed to work.
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Random drug testing has been in place for Tollway and IDOT employees for at least 15 years. All employees that drove or operated equipment names were put into a computer and once a month it kicked out a list...If you were on that list your immediate supervisor was notified and you had to be tested before you were allowed to work.
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So in this scenario; I do a joint a week socially. I am not an addict nor have a problem. I work for the government. I get drug screened and I get fired.

Is this an issue for anyone out there?

What about a welfare cases in the same scenario?


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"Governor Scott's new drug testing law is not only an affront to families in need and detrimental to our nation's ongoing economic recovery, it is downright unconstitutional," said Rep. Alcee Hastings. "If Governor Scott wants to drug test recipients of TANF benefits, where does he draw the line? Are families receiving Medicaid, state emergency relief, or educational grants and loans next?"
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I think it is fine to test. But as listed above it can be a door opening for many other things to come. Would really be something if it went further to state emergency relief or educational loans. What high school or college kid can pass a drug test? Would be suck for emergency funds for flood or tornado victims if they had a hit that month.

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I think the difference is that people were by chance hit by natural disasters, but there may be a correlation between drug users and the need/abuse of govn't assistance.
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There are all these penalties for using drugs, but very little help for those who need it.

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So in this scenario; I do a joint a week socially. I am not an addict nor have a problem. I work for the government. I get drug screened and I get fired.

Is this an issue for anyone out there?

What about a welfare cases in the same scenario?


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I could care less if you smoke a joint a week and work for the government. But imagine now if you did get laid off and popped a drug test while applying for government aid, you'd be fucked. Even though you worked hard your entire life, paid your taxes and were a fine, upstanding citizen, you'd now won't qualify for aid.

It seems that a lot of people forget that it's not just lazy, drug addicted fat asses with 12 kids with 17 different men that are on welfare, there are everyday, good citizens that benefit from it as well. It's a rough slope in my opinion.

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I could care less if you smoke a joint a week and work for the government. But imagine now if you did get laid off and popped a drug test while applying for government aid, you'd be fucked. Even though you worked hard your entire life, paid your taxes and were a fine, upstanding citizen, you'd now won't qualify for aid.

It seems that a lot of people forget that it's not just lazy, drug addicted fat asses with 12 kids with 17 different men that are on welfare, everyday, good citizens that benefit from it everyday as well. It's a rough slope in my opinion.
I guess my problem with that is that that person wasn't an "upstanding citizen", they were breaking the law once a week.

My view is that if you're asking for money, you shouldn't still be funding your once a week drug habit. If times are that hard, skip the recreational use and put the money elsewhere.
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URINE TEST...........
Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test
with which I have no problem.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to
people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a
urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for
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Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on
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Nothing wrong here. If the person is given cash they should be drug tested. They should also be prohibited from being allowed to enter any gamblig facility legal or otherwise.
I'm all for helping those in need but subsidizing their vices is another matter!

When is there going to be mandatory drug testing of elected officials? All Constitutional executive office holders, all legislative office holders and all elected judges at the local, state and federal level should be drug tested randomly and regularly!
If it's required of the workers why not the office holders?
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At least this is a step forward though. They need to do this in every state.
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