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Property tax appeal in DuPage county?

Folks,

Has anyone here initiated a property tax appeal in Dupage county? If so, what is the process, what did you have to do, etc?

Of course, they used some enron-esque magical equation to raise my property taxes - even though the value of my home has been consistently going down for the past 3 years.

Grrr...
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In brief...it's too late to appeal once you have the bill. I believe you have 30 days from once they are first published (usuallyy July) to initiate an appeal. There are several stages of appeal and I went through 2 only to knock $800 off and then the county assessor knocked it back up for a net of $400 something less than last years.

Start reading up as each county is a little bit different but speaking from experience unless there is a data error dont expect more than a 5% change. All those pensions arent going to fund themselves.

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Folks,

Has anyone here initiated a property tax appeal in Dupage county? If so, what is the process, what did you have to do, etc?

Of course, they used some enron-esque magical equation to raise my property taxes - even though the value of my home has been consistently going down for the past 3 years.

Grrr...
I'm considering hiring an attorney, the formula they used to asses my house is laughable at best. They "claim" to use fair market value, they assessed my house at 205k. The most recent sale in my neighborhood was back in late Oct/Early Nov and it was the same unit as mine which sold for $168k, since then 3 more have gone into foreclosure and the housing prices just continue to slide. If you decide to hire and attorney or know of a decent real estate attorney i know that myself and my neighbor would be very interested.

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Kruz is right. The township assessor is the person who sets the value. He/she can be contacted and explain it. They make mistakes, but remember values in IL are based a three year average and are 12 months behind. So a home sold today will only have 33% effect on your 2012 taxes (paid 6/1/2013). Your current assessment would use the the values for 2007, 2008, and 2009.

In IL attorneys actually have a much lower success rate than individuals on non-commercial properties. I recommend talking to your township assessor:

http://www.co.dupage.il.us/SOA/1488/

btw, blame the schools for the high taxes. Most of your property taxes goes straight to their pensions. Home values matter much less than the levies.

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Kruz is right. The township assessor is the person who sets the value. He/she can be contacted and explain it. They make mistakes, but remember values in IL are based a three year average and are 12 months behind. So a home sold today will only have 33% effect on your 2012 taxes (paid 6/1/2013). Your current assessment would use the the values for 2007, 2008, and 2009.

In IL attorneys actually have a much lower success rate than individuals on non-commercial properties. I recommend talking to your township assessor:

http://www.co.dupage.il.us/SOA/1488/

btw, blame the schools for the high taxes. Most of your property taxes goes straight to their pensions. Home values matter much less than the levies.
Seems like now is a good time to bump this thread as we are in the 30 day assessment appeal window for Dupage. Why would you say attorneys have a lower success rate than individuals? I have the paperwork to appeal from the assessor's site but I wonder if a professional filling it out would be better at hitting on the right points.

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Has the assessor raised your value given your improvements? I assume they have especially if you had permits.

I think what Allen is saying is if they see you lawyering up and taking an impersonal approach they may not respond well. On the initial appeal, it has been my experience that your assessor wants to help you.

The second appeal was more formal but still easy to fill out and the clerk at the county building had the typical county employee attitude but still it was an easy process.

I was just reading somewhere that appeals were way down this year despite home values falling more than last year where record appeals were set. My guess is folks are getting complacent again or just plain overwhelmed with values dropping and are just giving up.

Do you have a lawyer soliciting you? I cant imagine they would work for less than $150. Knowing your taxbill wont likely decrease by more than a grand does it really make sense to waste money on a lawyer?
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Any improvements are except for 4 years, and I did get permits. I'd argue that they were not improvements just maintenance of aging/failing materials.

Assessments are down 5.5% in our area across the board, I think there is still room to push for a lower assessment. I've contracted with an outside company to do my appeal, I pay half of the tax savings of the first year to him. If no savings are had, no money is paid to him. No work for me, nothing to lose.

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I appealed mine in cook county. My property taxes have been lowered around $1,500 over the past two years. I only had to visit the county office twice to get this done and I did not use a lawyer. It took less than an hour of my time. I did not argue uniform assessment or that their description of the property was incorrect. I had an appraisal from a recent refi and I argued that the assessment needed to be changed based on the appraisal. I had my assesment lowered a little over 15% and then they lowered it another 18% the following year (the 3 year assessment period was up) on their own.

Based on what a comparable house on my street just sold for, they have me at the right value now.

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Maintenance?

I would recommend trying on your own first...it's a 5 minute call to your assessor and 30 mins of researching comparables.
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I would recommend trying on your own first...it's a 5 minute call to your assessor and 30 mins of researching comparables.
I've already talked to the assessor. I'll need to fill out the forms and I'll need to go to the review board with my sales comparisons, all the sales used for comparison must be from 08/09/10. I was on the phone for over an hour and was directed to 2 different county offices before they directed me BACK to my township assessor. I'm tired of this crap.

My roof was leaking, my siding was leaking, and my windows were shit! Maintenance items!

cook county appeals are different and require an appraisal, DuPage does not though i wish it were that easy as I just had it appraised and it's WAY below what they think.

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I've contracted with an outside company to do my appeal, I pay half of the tax savings of the first year to him. If no savings are had, no money is paid to him. No work for me, nothing to lose.
This is what we did and do not regret it. They did two appeals for us, both succesful.

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Lazy DuPagians.

Appealing your prop tax should have been the second thing you did after you signed the purchase contract. I wonder how it will go if/when they come by for a review.

Id hate to see your taxes go up $3k...if that happens does the lawyer pay you?
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This is what we did and do not regret it. They did two appeals for us, both succesful.
2 separate times? There have been recent sales in 2011 near me that are low enough that I think another appeal this time next year would be a good idea but I'll wait to see how this goes first.


Kruz, I'm currently in the 30 day window where I can appeal my assessment. No other time can I can contest or appeal this including when i bought the house. I was able to get the township assessor to give me the residential exemption for the year despite the fact that we bought in March(you have to be in it on Jan 1st to get the exemption). They don't come by the property to do anything, appeals are done through either comparable sales or tax uniformity.

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Hmmm....things seem a bit outdated back east.
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Based on my experience, they don't require an appraisal. That is just one way to appeal.

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2 separate times? There have been recent sales in 2011 near me that are low enough that I think another appeal this time next year would be a good idea but I'll wait to see how this goes first.

Yes. Let me clarify this is on cook county, but I felt like commenting on using attorneys to save yourself the effort.

We won the first request and we got our taxes lowered by a decent amount. Six months later, we got a letter from the attorneys that it might be worth trying again, so we did.

I was kind of iffy on using attorneys and paying them based on the savings, but I made print outs from cook county assessor and treasurer websites of the original assessment and taxes and verified at each phase of the appeal before writing a check. I am sure we could have done it ourselves, but we have enough on our minds and todo lists.

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Based on my experience, they don't require an appraisal. That is just one way to appeal.
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Oh I see, I wish that was an appeal option for me

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On the cook county site, you can use your pin to see your property and all the details. Then you can use the same site to view everyone around you to check uniformity. You have to keep in mind, that depending on when the owner purchased can make a big difference in the amount of taxes they pay. Remember, we used to have that 7% cap in place. If you want recent closings, your realtor can easily provide you with that list.

They don't have a similar site for DuPage?

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On the cook county site, you can use your pin to see your property and all the details. Then you can use the same site to view everyone around you to check uniformity. You have to keep in mind, that depending on when the owner purchased can make a big difference in the amount of taxes they pay. Remember, we used to have that 7% cap in place. If you want recent closings, your realtor can easily provide you with that list.

They don't have a similar site for DuPage?
yes, but it's actually by township, milton in my case. In any event I've already made preparations to have someone else do my legwork.

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