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I want an Airplane...

I flew for the first time in a small aircraft, and it was awesome...

Instead of driving from Kansas City to Wichita, my boss decided to have us fly - in his Cirrus SR22.


GAWD THAT THING IS AWESOME!


soooo awesome, I just kept saying that over and over again. So how much would it cost to get a pilots license?
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private is about 15K - 20K. and if i remember correctly commercial is like 40K more on top of the private license.

last summer it was about $300 for an hour flight lesson for me. who knows this summer with gas price
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A close friend got his VFR after joiming a club and using the club plane (a Cessna 150).
His biggest expense was paying the instructor and his biggest hassle was finding an instructor that would take him up at odd hours when the plane was available. It was still not cheap but he saved over what a flight school cost...It DID tie up ALL of his free time for several months though. I don't think he rode with us once that Summer.
You have to figure about 40 hours before you qualify for the license and that doesn't include ground school.
You gotta really want it AND then you have to log enough hours to keep current and maintain your license.
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yeah you can test at 40 hours flight time but very few are ready by that time. most get tested at 60 hours
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yeah the Diamond DA20 i fly kinda looks like that just put some imagination to it
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and those doing commercial, how tuff is it to get into airlines?
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and those doing commercial, how tuff is it to get into airlines?
It is a long hard road to get to the airlines. First you will spend about 60k-80k to get all of your ratings. Then to build time you will flight instruct for a while making maybe 10k a year. With the new laws about to go into effect you will need 1500hours to fly for an airline. So after 2 years of making crap money as a flight instructor, and having students trying to kill you every day you might get an airline job. I say might because you will need a 4 year degree, but also the airlines are very cyclical. So if your timing is not right you will end up sitting as a flight instructor for years.

Now maybe you just landed a job as a first officer at a regional airline! That first you you will only make about 25k. Plus you will get to work every weekend and every holiday, and your average work day will be 14 hours. Then after about 5 to 7 years you might make 60k a year, but that's only after the airline management has sucked the life out of you.

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Chuck you have a Pitts! Love those little bastards.

Is it really $15-$20k for a base license? Man it was about $4k to do it when I was starting up, but that was like 15 years ago.

The trick is to establish a relationship with your regional airport, get to know the guys there and they will generally cut you deals. Sometimes you can work odd jobs around the airport for cheaper rental rates on the training planes, and sometimes the instructors will even donate their time!

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Chuck you have a Pitts! Love those little bastards.

Is it really $15-$20k for a base license? Man it was about $4k to do it when I was starting up, but that was like 15 years ago.

The trick is to establish a relationship with your regional airport, get to know the guys there and they will generally cut you deals. Sometimes you can work odd jobs around the airport for cheaper rental rates on the training planes, and sometimes the instructors will even donate their time!
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I've always wanted to work towards getting a pilot's license just because I've always wanted to be a recreational flier, definitely don't want to make it my full time job. I might have to look into this in the next couple years.

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I flew for the first time in a small aircraft, and it was awesome...

Instead of driving from Kansas City to Wichita, my boss decided to have us fly - in his Cirrus SR22.


GAWD THAT THING IS AWESOME!


soooo awesome, I just kept saying that over and over again. So how much would it cost to get a pilots license?
I looked into it a few months ago and it was over 15k! You have to get certified for EVERYTHING! Still seems like a blast so I'll probably take some of the intro classes just for the hell of it!


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I flew for the first time in a small aircraft, and it was awesome...

Instead of driving from Kansas City to Wichita, my boss decided to have us fly - in his Cirrus SR22.


GAWD THAT THING IS AWESOME!


soooo awesome, I just kept saying that over and over again. So how much would it cost to get a pilots license?
7 years ago, my 8 year old son was obsessed with flying. I bought him an intro lesson for about $175 for his birthday. He studied and saved...ect and went on about 4 instructional flights before turning into a teenager and getting into other things....girls, music....

Getting a recreational license is really pretty affordable if it is a priority for you and you stretch it out enough. They even have new classes of very light aircraft that take even less time to train to be licensed to fly.

The thing I found out though was that flying small aircraft's cost a lot in gas and landing fees. They also don't save much time over driving because you have to stop and re-fuel and the planes don't go very fast. When you arrive, you usually have to rent a car. Just my two cents from someone who felt like you at one point until I talked myself out of it.
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private is about 15K - 20K. and if i remember correctly commercial is like 40K more on top of the private license.

last summer it was about $300 for an hour flight lesson for me. who knows this summer with gas price
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I just finished my Private license about a month ago. The private gives you the ability to fly a type rated aircraft (Im signed off for a tricycle gear single engine land), and basically fly into ANYWHERE at anytime. Day, night, Madison Class C, Chicago Class B, etc. Carry passengers. The sport license or LSA limit you to under a certain HP range and you can only carry 1 person besides yourself, and you're restricted from certain airspace.

The private license is a great starting point. You can get signed off for high performance (200HP and above) with a few hours from a CFI (standard instructor). Same with float planes, complex (retractable gear / constant speed prop), tail dragger, multi-engine.

There are some restrictions, you can only fly VFR (visual flight rules). 3 miles visibility, 2000ft horizantal, 500ft below, and 1000ft above clouds (for most airspace) You can fly on overcast days, windy, ect.... but there are ceiling limitations (to be able to fly over objects and stay under the clouds). But your not a fair weather (bright sunny day) pilot. IFR rating (fly in the clouds) is another FAA rating, so training plus a check ride. So is commercial (fly for money).



Now to cost. I finished my license in 10 months, 3 instructors, 58hrs, for about $8500 (my tracking sheets at home, I can give a better number later), flying on average 1 time per week. Includes study material, a Bose headset, back-up radio, flight bag, flight planning software, etc.

There were a few cheeseburger runs that didn't need to happen. And with my primary instructor leaving towards the end, it ended up costing me about 10hrs of fly time transitioning. Average time to completion is 50hrs. Minimum is 40hrs.

Once you get your license, the only currency you have to maintain is 3 landings every 3 months to carry passengers, then every 2 years a check ride with a CFI. The PP license DOES NOT EXPIRE, but you have to stay current. You also need a medical every 5 years. They recommend flying about 4 hours a month to not forget things.

The Cessna 172 I rent is $88 an hour Wet (don't pay for fuel) and $30 and hour for the instructor. I would recommend having $4000 in the bank designated for finishing the license, but try to pay for the lessons out of your spending cash every month. Towards the end, you'll want to fly 2-4 times a week right before the check ride. The longer you stretch training out, the more it will cost, since you need to relearn things every lesson.

I put about $400 aside every month to fly friends and people around to stay current.


All that said, I HIGHLY recommend getting your license. Even if you don't know what you're going to do with it. Its very challenging (learning to land in a crosswind is a bitch), but the reward is great. And it sticks with you for life.

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I really want a Pitts.

What I can afford is a Cessna 150.

Might get a Citabria if a good one comes around. A Cessna 195 for traveling..... oooo or a Beaver.

Yeah so many pretty airplanes.




Oh yeah, and almost EVERY FBO will have intro flights for around $100. Shorter flight (30min) at Fond du Lac, plus some ground time with the instructor is $85. Longer flight (busy airport, Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago) where 30 minutes isn't practical, you may pay more like $200.

I'd take you, but Ive got a que for people wanting rides. Ill get down to Chicago area later in the summer, as Ive got to take Pilotx1 for a ride. (and give him a new addiction)

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It is a long hard road to get to the airlines. First you will spend about 60k-80k to get all of your ratings. Then to build time you will flight instruct for a while making maybe 10k a year. With the new laws about to go into effect you will need 1500hours to fly for an airline. So after 2 years of making crap money as a flight instructor, and having students trying to kill you every day you might get an airline job. I say might because you will need a 4 year degree, but also the airlines are very cyclical. So if your timing is not right you will end up sitting as a flight instructor for years.

Now maybe you just landed a job as a first officer at a regional airline! That first you you will only make about 25k. Plus you will get to work every weekend and every holiday, and your average work day will be 14 hours. Then after about 5 to 7 years you might make 60k a year, but that's only after the airline management has sucked the life out of you.

so im probably better off getting back in the AF or doing air national guard


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Long time, so what was the answer for a pilots license cost?

$200-300 per hour for rental and flight instruction depending on plane and location for a Private Pilot license. Figure 40-60 hours (40 minimum) depending on how much you suck at 3D navigation and spacial awareness.

The more you do it at once, versus one lesson every two months type of crap, usually the cheaper the total price.

So... how much is it, and how many hours did it take those of you that have a license to get PP, or CP, or Multi...

Just curious. Looks and sounds like a ton of fun.

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