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Question about clipons and geometry

Do you put the clip on over or under the triple tree? I put mine over, but since the factory clamps were not as tall, I had to move the fork tubes up to allow the clipon clamps to work properly, by doing that it seems like I changed the geometry by quite a bit. Did I do this correctly? Thanks for the input

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Yep you changed the geometrie of the bike and it will handle different... I'm not an R6 guy, so I have no idea of what is the right way to go...

Some bikes need fork cap enxtenders to get the needed setup ( GSXRs), Most clipons I know are under the tripple.

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Moving the forks a few millimeters in either direction can radically change your geometry and handling. By raising the forks through the upper clamp you have shifted the balance of the bike forward which can have an undesired effect if you don't know the proper set up for that bike. I suggest moving your forks back to original OEM position and install the clip ons in the OEM location under the triple. Hopefully some R6 guys will chime in here to point you in the right direction.

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Moving the forks a few millimeters in either direction can radically change your geometry and handling. By raising the forks through the upper clamp you have shifted the balance of the bike forward which can have an undesired effect if you don't know the proper set up for that bike. I suggest moving your forks back to original OEM position and install the clip ons in the OEM location under the triple. Hopefully some R6 guys will chime in here to point you in the right direction.
I believe the OEM location IS above the triple on these, but the stock clipons are much narrower at the clamping mechanism than the aftermarket ones. I think that he will need the fork extenders to do it correctly.

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Clip on handle bars are meant to be mounted below the upper clamp. If you have traditional style handlebar clamps on the top of the triple clamp you can also mount Clubman bars for the same effect as clip ons.
Look in the Antique threads about cafe racers, there are several photos of bike with clubman bars and possibly some with clip ons.

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where would I find fork extenders, and how does that change the mechanism of the suspension? wouldnt adding extenders increase the air space in the fork?

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I believe the OEM location IS above the triple on these, but the stock clipons are much narrower at the clamping mechanism than the aftermarket ones. I think that he will need the fork extenders to do it correctly.
this is correct the oem location is above the triple, but the oem clamp is 2/3 smaller than the clip on size

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Get a hold of Joe @ turnone, he is a good local R6 guy.
Or ask Jordan ( greeny).

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where would I find fork extenders, and how does that change the mechanism of the suspension? wouldnt adding extenders increase the air space in the fork?
No, the extenders just extend the outside tube, all the other stuff stays the same, the fork cap is deeper down.

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So i set the forks back to oem using the stock handlebars, removed those then put the clip ons under the triples. seems to be a better riding position, but with the forks sticking up above the triples it looks half way ridiculous. Slight issue with the master hitting the cluster at full turn.

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so what you're saying is ... you slid the forks up to compensate?
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With my YZF750, I raised it 10mm in the clamps from stock. Its a common thing to do to make this model more flickable. This does not work on every model. It could make it unridable on some.

What you could try is raise it a few mm at a time, take it out riding (in FULL GEAR JIC) and see how it reacts to each raising (leave the stock clipons on so you only have one variable to deal with). But this is at totally your own risk.

The fork cap extenders probably would be best.

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Here's what it looks like
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Would the instructions that came with the clip on's have been far easier to read?

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From that pic you posted your R6 looks like a 99-02. From what I have seen in the past, those clip ons go underneath the triple. I did a quick search and found a pic of a track bike and it looks like this guy has a set of woodcraft mounted underneath just like you have them set up now.
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Damnit Jaime, You beat me to it by 1 min...LOL Sick R6 pic!

by the looks of it, I would say you have a 99-02 R6 correct ? If so than yes stock clipons were over the TT and most who install aftermarket clipons will go under the TT. I would recommend you leave the bike @ stock geometry setting, ride it and see how it feels, I raised my front end and lowered the rear a lil to add stability but still maintain the fickability I like. Thats me though, you have to find what works for you, first order of business now that you've put the clipons on correctly should be setting sag.. Than just ride it and make adjustments as needed depending on conditions, riding style etc.

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Would the instructions that came with the clip on's have been far easier to read?
there is nothing in the instructions relating to putting the bars on top or under the triple tree.
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first order of business now that you've put the clipons on correctly should be setting sag..
Kevin did this after I installed the rear shock.

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Kevin did this after I installed the rear shock.
Great, you're all set than. ride it and get used to it, I remember doing it to a friends 01 and it made it feel different (in a good way).. Best of luck man!

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Derick,

ride and see how it feels.

I had done the same to my F4i, after Mopar said he had his under the triple.
He said he hated it at first, but got used to it and loved it.

I spent half a season waiting for the moment to love the position. Never happened.
Put mine above the triples where they belong.

What i want to say is, just because other people have it, doesn't mean that it's the right thing for you. There is possibly going to be more weight to the front and/or clearance issues, like you mentioned.
Steering is also slightly harder because of the way you push on the bars. I will gladly explain this to you in person, i can't really put it in words.

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ride and see how it feels.

I had done the same to my F4i, after Mopar said he had his under the triple.
He said he hated it at first, but got used to it and loved it.

I spent half a season waiting for the moment to love the position. Never happened.
Put mine above the triples where they belong.

What i want to say is, just because other people have it, doesn't mean that it's the right thing for you. There is possibly going to be more weight to the front and/or clearance issues, like you mentioned.
Steering is also slightly harder because of the way you push on the bars. I will gladly explain this to you in person, i can't really put it in words.

Good luck!
Thank Tea. I'm gonna give it a try this way, its not that difficult to move it over the triples if I dont like the added wrist pressure this brings.

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How about google this

installing woodcraft clip ons a r6

Then click this

Also mentions they go under

http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/r...t-clipons.html

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