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What do you consider average condition...?

I looked at an 01 F4i today and let me say it was a horrible dealer experience... I didn't find out until I had gotten there, that the bike had been low slided and the entire right side of the bike was full of scrapes and cracks. I asked them why they were asking $500 over average retail if the bike was in such bad condition and the owner of the dealership told me any 10 year old bike is going to have those kinds of marks on it. Now, I can understand a few scratches here and there, but the entire fairing needed to be replaced as well as the blinker lights and other small misc things. This all leads into my question... What is considered to be the "average" condition of a bike?
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If it was going fast enough to slide when it was dropped i would not consider it average condition, if it was knocked over and had a scrape and a rashed bar end i could see the far end of average
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If it was going fast enough to slide when it was dropped i would not consider it average condition, if it was knocked over and had a scrape and a rashed bar end i could see the far end of average
That is along the lines of what I thought average was as well. I can see some dings, nicks and scraps, but when one whole side of a bike has rash from sliding, I would hardly consider that "average". Also, what is the "average" amount of miles per year?
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The seller is a douche, walk away.

Wrecked is not average condition. You're better off buying from an individual. There are plenty of used motorcycle buying check lists online to go by when looking at a used bike.
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I agree with the above.

My definition of average condition means that it needs no cosmetic or mechanical repairs and has not been crashed. I'm not expecting a bike to be "mint", or in near showroom condition cosmetically, but it also shouldn't have anything worse than the usual tiny scratches & nicks from use typical of it's age.

It's hard to define average mileage for a bike, because it varies widely based on location and type of bike. For a sport bike in the midwest I would say 1,500 to 2,500 miles per year isn't too far off.
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I guess, when you look at a 10 year old bike, people will have varying ideas about what "average" is or is not. To me, anything over 2 years old has been crashed. It may be repaired , but it has been down. There you go, I'm just jaded.........quick, someone hit me.......

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I guess, when you look at a 10 year old bike, people will have varying ideas about what "average" is or is not. To me, anything over 2 years old has been crashed. It may be repaired , but it has been down. There you go, I'm just jaded.........quick, someone hit me.......
I don't disagree, but its one thing to low side and fix it, its another to just leave the damage. If the bike had no rash or anything, I would say it was in average condition.
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I don't disagree, but its one thing to low side and fix it, its another to just leave the damage. If the bike had no rash or anything, I would say it was in average condition.
heck, I left the damage on my bike.....but then again it was a track bike

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All the talk about "book" prices and condition is irrelevant. Everything is based on market value. So if there are a dozen bikes priced the same, same miles, and one is much worse in condition than the others, then that will dictate a lower price, regardless of some book saying it's average. It's all relative compared to what is out there.
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Sounded like a shitty move by the dealer. Something as obvious as rash should have been mentioned. Using the excuse of being average or typical is all relative. Any bike I buy new looks flawless 4 yrs later, to the point where people ask if it is the current model year. So average condition for my bikes would meet a different standard than that dealers. Nothing wrong with buying a bike with a few scars, I bought my trackbike from a kid who had a street bike with a few tiny scratches. But for a dealer not to mention the little imperfections on the phone was shitty in my opinion.

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You can (quite easily) get a near mint condition 10 year old bike. This guy at the dealership was full of crap.

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I won't name it, but they are located in Roselle.
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... For a sport bike in the midwest I would say 1,500 to 2,500 miles per year isn't too far off.
That's about right. My bike is 12 years old and has 21,000 miles on it, and it still rides great.

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The seller is a douche, walk away.

Wrecked is not average condition. You're better off buying from an individual. There are plenty of used motorcycle buying check lists online to go by when looking at a used bike.
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IMO the dealer already told you he thinks you're stupid and don't know any better. Average condition on a bike is the same as a car. Would you buy a car that was sideswiped and call it average condition? Drop the price big time or walk away.
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I won't name it, but they are located in Roselle.
Why not? They wasted your time, why not help the community out by telling them who to avoid?


FWIW, never buy a used bike through a dealer. Illinois has a flat tax when buying bikes through private parties, it's $25. If you buy a used bike though a dealership for $4k, you'll pay $300-400 in tax as well as overpay for the bike. Craigslist and local forums are the way to go unless you're going for something new.

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Why not? They wasted your time, why not help the community out by telling them who to avoid?


FWIW, never buy a used bike through a dealer. Illinois has a flat tax when buying bikes through private parties, it's $25. If you buy a used bike though a dealership for $4k, you'll pay $300-400 in tax as well as overpay for the bike. Craigslist and local forums are the way to go unless you're going for something new.
...or unless you're looking for something rare! But yeah, private party is the way to go if at all possible.

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Why not? They wasted your time, why not help the community out by telling them who to avoid?


FWIW, never buy a used bike through a dealer. Illinois has a flat tax when buying bikes through private parties, it's $25. If you buy a used bike though a dealership for $4k, you'll pay $300-400 in tax as well as overpay for the bike. Craigslist and local forums are the way to go unless you're going for something new.
I don't like to name places, because you get 1 person that loves the place and starts a ton of edrama that I don't like to deal with...

I didn't know about the tax thing though... Thanks for the heads up!

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IMO the dealer already told you he thinks you're stupid and don't know any better. Average condition on a bike is the same as a car. Would you buy a car that was sideswiped and call it average condition? Drop the price big time or walk away.
I did just that... They wanted to give me $500 under KBB for my bike, while theirs was priced $1000 above KBB retail... I was like huh? That is when I began asking how their bike is in even average condition, let alone good condition and the owner told me I wouldn't find a 10 year old bike in better shape. I told him go out to CIP on Wed night and he will probably see a couple of them haha!

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Sounds like I Motorsports to me. I would of just asked him why he was being a dick then tell him to show you what a clean bike looks like.
That's where I was and I did, but he said no 10 year old bike is going to be in better shape...
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I have heard of an F4i in worse shape. I see it in my garage all the time.
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Good after noon boys and girls.. Many of you know me and have bought bikes from me in the past. I worked at woodfield motorsports for years.

let me start by saying thanks to all the member that have bought from us and we do greatly appreciate it!

As far as emotart.. I would like to have this post not come off not as a bash towards anyone or start a bashing war. First I would like to say I buy a lot of stuff for me personally and when ever i show up somewhere and I don't like the car/bike/boat etc... I simply look at something different. If the bike did not meet your standards I apologize for wasting your time. Also as far as your trade in goes. I offered to go trade in value vs. retail value for you. We are here to make money just like any other business. As far as AVG miles like you asked, According to KBB a 2002 (keep in mind ours is a 2001 but they do not go that far back for miles) should have about 18k miles so let's say a 01 should have 20... Ours has 15k.

as far as your trade in- according to KBB your trade in is worth $3300 and we offered you more than that.

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We have sold motorcycles all over the country and even shipped a few out of country. If you would have called and asked about the condition of the bike you would've been informed that its not a show bike by any means. We have 100 percent ebay feed back on ebay due to our honesty.

P.S. as far as I know we are the ONLY motorcycle dealer in Roselle so it's not hard to figure out you were talking about us. But I do appreciate your criticism and I will use it grow my business.

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As far as emotart.. I would like to have this post not come off not as a bash towards anyone or start a bashing war. First I would like to say I buy a lot of stuff for me personally and when ever i show up somewhere and I don't like the car/bike/boat etc... I simply look at something different. If the bike did not meet your standards I apologize for wasting your time. Also as far as your trade in goes. I offered to go trade in value vs. retail value for you. We are here to make money just like any other business. As far as AVG miles like you asked, According to KBB a 2002 (keep in mind ours is a 2001 but they do not go that far back for miles) should have about 18k miles so let's say a 01 should have 20... Ours has 15k.

as far as your trade in- according to KBB your trade in is worth $3300 and we offered you more than that.

P.S. as far as I know we are the ONLY motorcycle dealer in Roselle so it's not hard to figure out you were talking about us. But I do appreciate your criticism and I will use it grow my business.
I didn't say your name, because I didn't want to have someone say I was bashing a dealer... I don't keep track of how many dealers are in a certain town, I have better things to do.

As far as my trade goes, you never once offered me more than KBB. You said if I payed full retail on your bike (which if you check on KBB is $2750, $1000 less than what you have yours for) then you would give me KBB. I have been to several different dealers and you have given me the WORST trade value thus far... I have been on average around $4000 trade and as high as $4500 from one dealer.

What made me mad about my visit at your dealership wasn't the numbers, but the fact that you tried passing off a bike that had been slid as "average" condition. You and I both know that the bike is far from "average" condition and had you not try to play it off with the, "I have worked for several dealerships before owning this one and this bike is in good condition for a 10 year old bike" line, then I may have been more interested in purchasing from your dealership. If you actually read the thread you will see that I never once said you operated a bad dealership or anything of that nature, but was unhappy as to what you tried to pass off as an "average" condition bike.

I will say that the salesman I had talked to was very knowledgeable about the bikes you had and gave me some good insight and great recommendations on which bikes I should pursue. I do thank him for his time, insight and suggestions.

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you make it sound like we had a cover on the bike and wouldn't let you see it. Again if the bike was not up to your standards then simply its not the bike for you. In my opinion the bike is avg conditon for its age. In your opinion its not. I'm not sure how you would like me to avoid different peoples opinions?

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