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Official 2012 Ice Racing Thread

Ok..... I'm already having withdrawl. ICE RACING is this off season fun. A lot of us have talked about it. Who will share their knowledge with us newbs? What are the local organizations? What are the best bikes for racing? 2stroke or 4 stroke? How do you make your own tires?

Lets share all the info we can find and see if all of us can go ride together this off season.

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I'm starting my second year on the ice. I suck, and go pretty slow.

For us on the south end of the city, Moto On Ice is a series that takes place in Cedar Lake Indiana. Typical day includes oval racing in the AM, followed by TT course in the afternoon. You can race oval, TT, or both.

Not a ton of classes. They run well seperated in the morning, pretty much all together in the afternoon.


Up north there are several orgs, CWIRA and maybe SWIRA are in central and southern WI respectively, I have no experience with either.


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Buy a set of tires. I know, they're expensive, but I would hate to see people not like it because you're fucking with equipment. I have a my ice tires on a spare set of rims, so I don't have to fuck with mounting them every season.

Buy a decent set of wraps. It's a pain in the ass with good ones, and your tires will be destroyed without them.

Buy/build decent fenders. You'll need them to race, and everybody likes to go home with all the flesh they came with.

Bike doesn't matter. You'll see everything from one off rotax powered flat trackers, to xr250's with sidecars. Any mx or offroad bike will suffice. 2t's are a bit easier to start in the cold.
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There's always a lot of talk but rarely a lot of "do" when it's 10 degrees outside. We all pray for the 29 degree sunny warm days for ice riding / racing. I'll take some pictures of my KX250 Resurrection Built ice racer later today and explain certain key features.
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I'm planning on picking up an mx bike soon... probably a 250f of some sort. In the past, I've only ridden on the ice with homemade ice tires. They work pretty good, but I guess they don't compare to real ice tires. I'm in for some more information..

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I'm planning on picking up an mx bike soon... probably a 250f of some sort. In the past, I've only ridden on the ice with homemade ice tires. They work pretty good, but I guess they don't compare to real ice tires. I'm in for some more information..
Who can elaborate? Made? Bought? Someone has to make them. Whats the difference in tires? What tires should we use. DETAILS

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Well made ice tires have a liner made from a streetbike tire on the inside. Oh and like a thousand "Kold Kutter" screws. If you spend all the time and end up with a set of tires that don't work well, it would suck to just go spend the money anyway.


Fredette Racing Products and Rosine are the most popular brand.
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I am already working on my new excuses for 2012

One of these days Nick - All my boys from Wisc who we race Sumo with do this and all try and get me out there too - Equalz has Ice Tires for his KX so I know he is ready

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Fredette is the way to go for tires, As far as racing Jeff Also runs a race series in Cedar Lake IN. He runs a road course (2 30min Motos) and Short track (10 lap heat, 10 lap main). Its the closest racing to Chicago. Plus you get Alot of track time and an entry is only $20 a class. I plan to go every weekend. But sense it is racing, you need ice fenders. If your just looking in to riding I dont know of to many places in IL but in WI we have rode on Lake Geneva, Delavan Lake, Silver lake, Lake koshkonog, or Camp Lake. But PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make sure your bike is QUITE. Leave that Loud shit for the street. Noise issues have closed alot of Lakes for riding possibility's.

As far a making tires you will have about $270 and 10-12 hours of time in to them, a brand new set is $550. So it all depends on how much you feel your time is valued. As far as quality, the people that make them are really consistent, you make your own, you could get lucky or they could suck. If anyone has any questions give me a call and ill try and give any info I can to help.

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Ion, do you use less oil or lower rate fork oil for your front suspension on the ice bike?
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The lean angle on a bike with proper tires is amazing. If you are on cleaner ice you can almost drag the handlebar on the ice.



Tires are a bitch. In the winter I have had to heat them up or bring them in the house to get it to bead up correctly. I've found if I use a c-clamp to keep the tire down in the lower part of the rim I can get them on easier



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I ended up having the 90 degree angles on the front fender made out of steel because the aluminum ones were snapping when I fell over





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I dont, I just soften the fork and shock up. I ride really really agressive on the ice though. I would say to just go 1 step softer on the fork fulid and just soften up the shock. IMO on the ice its better to stiff than to soft. I can say that 100% for the shock.

On another note, ice is bad ass and if you crash you just slideeeeeee, you dont catch and flip and flop and break bones.


O and I cheat and use a tire changer for ice tires, there pretty easy. hahahah
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All the info Grasshopper and PCD are giving is like getting a college education in ice racing and riding. Making your own tires is cheaper but the important thing is you have to use the right pattern and the screws need to be "tuned"...that is the slots need to be in specific positions depending on where it is placed on the tire...there is also a difference between oval or left turn only tires and tires that will work on TT tracks with both left & right turns...That's why it's better to just buy from the guys who know what they're doing. It's worth the extra cash for their expertise...I personally recommend Jeff Fredette.
I want to re-enforce a couple things Ion brought up: First...even if you're not going to race mount at least a front fender for safety. If you've ever seen the damage the screws can do to a person you'd never ride near anyone without a front fender...it could be VERY ugly and costly!
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I know it has already been mentioned but I'm going to say again...

Mount Fenders I've heard about guys having a football chunk of flesh taken out of the back of their leg battling it out with a buddy.

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Equals, you need help making some fenders? Put them on there before this season buddy
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i just need the make fenders everything else is tops!
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Nick i might need yours or Guses help on that=)
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As far as Ice fenders go, I need to make some for my honda. Ill post step by step pics on hot to make them. Its really easy. If you cant/dont want to do it your self. I will help anyone that wants help. For free. I would be an asshole if I were to charge you. This is a after hours thing. For fun. Let me know

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That bike will be on the ice this year again.....


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That bike will be on the ice this year again.....
Did you buy a bike??

I've got my eyes out for a nice used one..

Is a 250f a big disadvantage compared to a 450f? I've heard that with the heavy tires and on open tracks, the 250f's struggle... that true?

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