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#1 son's VoxAD30VT is dead. The amount I know about amps is what I could Google in a couple hours over the last few days. The holidays and his birthday are coming up so instead of just throwing $ at him, I thought I'd spring for a small amp. He just bums around in the basement, no gigs. Unfortunately, $ is tight so I'm looking near the bottom. That said I'm leaning toward a Line 6 Spider IV 15 or 30. I can pick up a new 15 for $100 and a 30 for $180. They also make a 75, that I can get for $280 that has a lot more features but unless some other family members kick in, it is out of budget. From what I've seen, all three have had great written reviews, lots of positive YouTube reviews and since I can be easily glamored by tech a modeling amp sounds cool to me, especially the 75.

Anyone have an opinion before I pull the trigger?

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The newer spiders are pretty good, but I still love the sound of tubes! The 75watt spider will be cool, but complete overkill for someone that isn't gigging and just needing a practice amp. I would say stick to the 15 or 30 watt for a practice amp especially if money is tight.
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depends what he's into, the model # usually reflects how many watts so a 15 is plenty for basement use, a 30 is also good for basement use but can usually be loud enough to play with drums, i have a VOX like yours and its pretty good for the price, line 6 modeling amps are popular but ive never owned one, getting something good for under 200 can be a challenge, i allways buy used (i'm cheap) and i must have at least a dozen amps in the basement right now, my latest favorite is a blackheart little giant head i got off craigslist for $120 , a simple tube head and no effects

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For the $ Line 6 is probably your best choice. Great bang for the buck and durable.

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Line 6- 30 watts is good for home use and small gigs. You can always mic it. 75 - 100 watts will be too loud for home use. You'll probably set your volume under 5.
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GTG I have an urge to stop by Greg and Klara. I haven't been there for an easy 9 months. I need to go cry in my beer and need a good looking bartender to listen to me. I'm still a shit magnet... With my luck just Greg will be working.
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Yeah, I've got nothing in that price range...I doubt I could build myself something in that range, even at cost of materials.

That said, there are some decent inexpensive amps out there these days. But you really need to know what the kid is playing and what he expects out of an amp. Maybe take him to Guitar Center and let him beat up on some sub $200 amps.

Top of my list would be Epiphone Valve Jr. But it's just under $200 without a speaker cab. You could rig it up to his current speaker and be set till he can afford some better cabinet/speaker combo.

Pignose Hog 30 - The stock speaker sucks, but with a better speaker these are fun amps.

Roland Cube - you really need to have pedals in front of this to make it work. It's just a workhorse amp without many features.

And then all the student amps with built-in effects that I really know nothing about. Sorry.

To me, a practice amp is a $700 hand built tube chassis in a hand made cabinet made from 100 year old recycled pine, connected to a $250 boutique alnico speaker.

So I'm really outa touch when it comes to student amps.

That said, go to GC with him, spend hours going from one amp to the next with *his* guitar, and let him pick the amp that suits him best. Most GCs have little practice rooms where you can crank up the amp and really see what it can do without having to show off for the whole store (That's where I hide so nobody can hear my shitty playing). There is also HIX music outside the Fox Valley mall, Naperville Music and Modern Music on Ogden and Sam Ash music on Roosevelt in Lombard. Hix is geared towards students, so I might start there.

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Anyone have an opinion before I pull the trigger?

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IMO, one of the best versatile amps on the market right now is the Line 6 Flextone III. It does amp modeling(simulates tube amps). It's bigger than those smaller amps but you can find used ones on ebay for around $250. You'll probably never need to upgrade him again.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Line-6-Flext...#ht_500wt_1156

Tube amps are expensive and they are for gear nuts who like swapping tubes from time to time. New technology closed the gap on tube vs solid state a few years back. In fact, I remember reading a article some where that someone performed a blind test with guitar players and listeners to see if they could tell the difference between the two(amp modeling soild state vs. tube) and nobody could distinguish the difference.

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In fact, I remember reading a article some where that someone performed a blind test with guitar players and listeners to see if they could tell the difference between the two(amp modeling soild state vs. tube) and nobody could distinguish the difference.

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Sure thing.

Easiest way to do the test would be to have the same cabinet used and two different heads. One being a modeler amp and one being tube.

There have been test done that I found online but the same cabinet wasn't being used - which in my opinion is the only way to do it apples to apples.

But, even with that being said, the results do show that the majority couldn't tell the difference.

Here is a test from 2004 =
http://www.epinions.com/content_3726614660

Results:
First, some astonishing facts:
- every single tube amp was mistaken for a solid state amp, and
- every modeling amp was mistaken for a tube amp.

Here is another test from 2005(this was on a forum and the results were done on page 5... voting continued after what amps were being used... so the test results stop at page in my eyes) =
http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f81...ten-39948.html

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78% of you were incorrect,
22% of you got it right.

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these r pretty good for the money

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Another idea, just get him a gift ward to GC and tell him to pick something out. He would know best on what he wants. Not sure of his age but teenagers change their minds a 100 times per minute. Best bet is to go with him and let him choose. For 200 he should be able to find plenty for just farting around at home.

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Thanks guys. I appreciate all the information. I think I have an idea or two about direction.

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