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perspective employer, honest or cordial?

I have a quick question for everybody.

I was offered an opportunity for a new position a while back. The position sounded interesting, the person I would work for sounded like a nice guy. Etc. I was invited back for a second interview and in advance of that interview I was given the benefits package. The benefits package is TERRIBLE. As a result of that I declined a second interview. At that time I did not give a reason, just declined the meeting with a polite and short email stating that I was no longer interested.

Today they contacted me again. Should I be nice and say, thanks but I am still not interested, or should I say, in as nice of terms as possible that I am interested after you get your benefits package to be on par with the western world.

Please note that I have a stable job, I am in an in-demand field and only passively looking for that perfect opportunity.

I guess if you worked for a company, would you want somebody you were considering hiring (enough that you asked them back after they said no once already) to be honest or just for them to decline a second time. Please note, the email was addressed to me personally, but I don't know for certain that they didn't send it to every candidate that declined a further interview.

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honest and cordial, changing the benefits wont happen but maybe they can up the salary to compensate.

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honest and cordial, changing the benefits wont happen but maybe they can up the salary to compensate.
This.

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ok then, this is the email I was thinking of

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Thank you again for the follow up. I appreciate the renewed consideration. However, at this time I am not interested in working for XXXX XXXX.

The benefits package that was emailed to me is sub par compared to other opportunities I am considering and that was the reason I decided not to persue further discussions with you and XXXXX.

In my short conversation with XXXXX, I was genuinely excited about the opportunity. XXX XXXX is a growing company. XXXXX made it seem like he has a great group of people that work with him and the position sounded like a natural next step for me in mycareer path. Both, you and XXXXX both sounded like great people to work with.

please note it is not a porn company who's name is actually a bunch of XXX's, I just X'd out all of the details for privacy.

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I would not tell them it is sub par. I would just list your requirements rather than potentially insulting them. Besides, you might be telling them something they already know.

As Chris said, realize what won't change and offer alternatives, salary, etc.

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you think you're the only one who can do this job? There's a lot of fishes in the sea my friend. they don't need you. they'll just hire the person who agree to said benefits/compensations. a lot of people are desperate for jobs.
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you think you're the only one who can do this job? There's a lot of fishes in the sea my friend. they don't need you. they'll just hire the person who agree to said benefits/compensations. a lot of people are desperate for jobs.
Most companies don't ask a second time unless they are really interested.

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I would not tell them it is sub par. I would just list your requirements rather than potentially insulting them. Besides, you might be telling them something they already no.

As Chris said, realize what won't change and offer alternatives, salary, etc.
This. Say something along the lines that you are currently happy with your situation and the offer wasn't great enough to make you want to switch jobs.

The perks of being in an in demand field is that you can be picky with where you work and I'm sure the employer knows that.

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you think you're the only one who can do this job? There's a lot of fishes in the sea my friend. they don't need you. they'll just hire the person who agree to said benefits/compensations. a lot of people are desperate for jobs.
Depends on the field. Once you gain some experience in a specialty, it doesn't become as easy to just hire any one off the street.

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haha, sub par. don't say that.

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I am rethinking the honesty part. I would just thank them for their interest, and not give the real reason. If someone decides to call you to discuss, maybe then, but would not put the reason in an email.

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go on the 2nd interview, then write down how much you want on a piece of paper, flip it face down, and slide it to said interviewer.
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First question is do you really want this job despite the issues you have with the package? If not, why bother discussing it then?

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do you know what the salary is? maybe the already make up for their shit benefits, just go to the interview. wear pants.

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do you know what the salary is? maybe the already make up for their shit benefits, just go to the interview. wear pants.
i already sent a revised version of my email. I don't want to waste people's time. Interviews tend to take alot of time and can lead to false hopes on both sides of the table.

I wouldn't want a perspective employer to take the time to interview me knowing full well I wasn't going to be offered the job, any more than I would want to waste their time by taking an interview for a job I had no intention of taking. I think of it in the same vein as tire kickers when selling a used motorcycle. It just isn't worth it to me or to them.

I wanted to offer them the information as a courtesy to let them know, they had stated when they found my resume the first time that they had been looking a while, and now 6 weeks later they are still looking. I suspect that either they know why they can't hire anybody and in that case, hopefully my email gives them internal fuel to go back to HR and ask for more money / better benefits, or they don't know and my email can help enlighten them.

If it is the 3rd possibility and they are too dense to know otherwise than oh well, they will be insulted by my email and will never contact me again. Nothing lost, nothing gained.

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First question is do you really want this job despite the issues you have with the package? If not, why bother discussing it then?
on the merits of what the job was, yes - it sounded like a good opportunity to work for a growing company and be in a position to take on as much responsibility as I could handle. In addition, the job description touted that it had a lot of very attractive fringe benefits (onsite day care, onsite gym, in house chef, etc) however the important benefits (medical insurance costs, retirement, vacation time) were all very lacking

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I do not think there is anything wrong with telling them that the benefits were not on par with other offers (do not say sub par, too negative) and kept you from perusing the opportunity further. Who knows, maybe you pointing it out may help people that already work there who are too scared or have too much to lose by speaking up about their shitty perks. But like others have said, there is always someone hungry and willing to take a job even if the $$ or perks are not there. Hopefully that will change soon where the employees are considered more of an asset that they want to keep happy and have long term.

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go on the 2nd interview, then write down how much you want on a piece of paper, flip it face down, and slide it to said interviewer.
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Yeah, the sub par is bad. "not on par with my current benny package" is a much nicer of saying sub par LOL

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this is what I went with in the email.

...The benefits package that was emailed to me is substantially less than those offered by other opportunities I am considering...

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That says the same thing but sounds much better and a fair assessment.

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I see the benefits and salary as part of the overall compensation negotiation. You don't really know how good the total compensation package is until they start giving you an offer.

I think I probably would have called them instead of an email. A call would have provided an opportunity for some real time give and take. You could have expressed gratitude for the consideration. Then tell them that you are interested for the reasons you cited but then added that part about you concern about the benefits.

As far as the email I probably would have taken the "substantially" part out. "Is less than those offered by others" covers the point. Substantially sounds the same as Sub Par to me. Since you already sent the email it will be interesting to see if you get any kind of response. If your skills are in as much demand as you mention and it seems as if they are since they contacted you a second time then maybe they will want to delve into this a bit more. I still think a call might not be a bad thing.

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yeah then instead of having to pay a copay I can have service on par with cook county hospital.

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yeah then instead of having to pay a copay I can have service on par with cook county hospital.
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So this company is interested in you...... And you give them the Heisman instead of negotiating a competitive offer ? WTF are you thinking ?


1. If you like the JOB ....people / situation proceed ..... If not bag it.

2. If the compensation package is not what you want, tell them what you would expect to accept a position.


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So this company is interested in you...... And you give them the Heisman instead of negotiating a competitive offer ? WTF are you thinking ?


1. If you like the JOB ....people / situation proceed ..... If not bag it.

2. If the compensation package is not what you want, tell them what you would expect to accept a position.


They either meet your needs one way or the other or you fail to come to terms.



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