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Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s speed cameras won’t start churning out $35 and $100 tickets until the end of this year after a field test of the fast-changing technology, a top mayoral aide said Thursday.

One day after a divided City Council authorized the installation of fixed and mobile surveillance cameras to catch motorists speeding near schools and parks, Transportation Commissioner Gabe Klein reiterated his promise to proceed with caution.

The city will first issue a so-called “request-for-proposals,” then choose a handful of companies to test their camera technologies on the street this fall without issuing tickets.

That field test will be followed by the selection of a single vendor. There will also be two tiers of warnings to motorists — including an unlimited number during the first 30 days after cameras are installed and one more-per-driver after the break-in period is over.

The bottom line is that speeding motorists won’t start paying the fines — $35 for going between six and 10 miles-per-hour over the speed limit near schools and parks and $100 for going 11 mph over the limit — anytime soon.

“We may do some pilots earlier in the fall, but I don’t think you’ll actually see cameras out there on the streets issuing ticketing for bad behavior until the end of the year at the earliest,” Klein said.


The mayor’s ordinance authorizes a maximum of 300 locations. But, Klein said, “At most, I can see us maybe putting up 50 in the first year in 2013 — and that’s really a max number.”

Despite concerns that it’s more about raising revenue than keeping children safe, the City Council this week approved the dramatic expansion in the Chicago’s Big Brother surveillance network. The vote was 33 to 14.

Klein said “many, many companies” offering an array of different technologies have expressed interest in installing the speed cameras in Chicago neighborhoods.

“There’s radar. There’s LIDAR. There’s induction loops [two strips in the road that calculate how fast a car is going]. There are new cameras that are 360 [degree] cameras that can do more than one thing,” Klein said.

“The technology is pretty complicated. Because everything is changing so quickly, the best way to figure out what the best value is for the taxpayers is to actually put something on the street and see it work. That’s what the mayor wants to see.”

The speed limit around most Chicago schools and parks is lower when children are present. How will the cameras know that a child is present?

“You’d be amazed at the technology. … The cameras are very high-resolution and can pick up incredible minutiae and detail,” he said.

To further protect motorists, Klein said there would be “three levels of review:” by the speed camera operator; by IBM, which has a contract with the city’s Department of Revenue and Finance and by the city’s Department of Transportation.

In a related matter, Klein said he plans to install Chicago’s first “pedestrian scramble” or “Barnes Dance” intersection in the downtown area later this year. That’s where the light in all directions stays red for 14 seconds every other light cycle so pedestrians can cross six ways, including diagonally.

He refused to identify the intersection, but acknowledged under questioning that State and Madison is a prime candidate.
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red light cameras and speed cameras without a person physically there to witness it should be unconstitutional. If a tree falls in the woods...

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they used to be be illegal and considered unconstitutional. but, then the government pushed and pushed till they could get one or two red light cameras.... to save the children, then they got a few more, then a 1000 more.... then the big brother network, now Just a few speed cameras, by schools, you know... just for the safety of the kids. then a few more, then every mile, then every 100 feet. Next.... I'm guessing subcutaneous rfid tags, in kids, ya know just for safety, then all adults and those will be tied into the big brother network, so a name will appear above everyone's head on the camera system. cash will become useless, and you will only buy an sell, by the use of your rfid tag, ya know, so they can curb the drug trade, but in reality its just so they can keep track f everything we do and pay tax on every little thing we do.




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I wonder how many kids actually were injured in Chicago by motorists near schools and parks to justify these cameras.

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All that testing is a waste. Rahm's campain coffers will still get the contract.


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This is dumb... in the UK there are numerous accidents from people slamming on the brakes when they approach speed camera zones and then speeding up again afterwards. I'll admit that I prefer the cameras to having patrol officers on the highways but still in the US they don't post enough warnings or soon enough when you are approaching a camera zone - so I definitely am not looking forward to this. However this does allow for the time tested - how can you prove it was me on that motorcycle excuse in court ... it works in Iowa and has worked in Arizona, so I'm guessing it'll be fine in IL too.
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seriously these things are so fucking dangerous. standard intersection procedure goes out the window. shit like i dont kno....scanning for hazards and using your lifetime judgement of maybe 50000000 intersection crossings to decide if u should stop or not. all these things make u do is stare at the light and accelerate as u get close. paying attention to nothing else....and if u have to stop pray the guy behind u doesnt ram u.

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This is dumb... in the UK there are numerous accidents from people slamming on the brakes when they approach speed camera zones and then speeding up again afterwards. I'll admit that I prefer the cameras to having patrol officers on the highways but still in the US they don't post enough warnings or soon enough when you are approaching a camera zone - so I definitely am not looking forward to this.
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ok, people breaking the law regardless and then being unable to drive is a shitty excuse, people who get into an accident on both ends of that excuse should receive higher punishment.

Why should there be any signs? how about a sign in your car so you can read it before you start driving

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btw, I am against this on the basis that chicago is doing this to line their pockets and using the children as an excuse.

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They dismantled the entire system in the Phoenix area a year ago for that reason, plus no one was actually paying the fines. Their collection was never higher than 5%.

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They dismantled the entire system in the Phoenix area a year ago for that reason, plus no one was actually paying the fines. Their collection was never higher than 5%.
Chicago will find a way to collect the fines. They'll privatise the collection and booting system.
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I wonder if they will line LSD as the Lakefront is considered "Chicago Park Dist" - They would CLEAN UP as NO ONE does 45 there

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Dumfocks in Chicago elected this asshat. They deserve every fine they get. I, for one, will stay the fock out of the city and spend my $$ elsewhere until Big Brother leaves.

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Annnnnnd the truth comes out.




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Annnnnnd the truth comes out.
Yeah I had to double take on the newspaper, surprised the trib ran that story. That is hearsay if not libel. Not saying its false or incorrect as far as I'm concerned, just saying surprised a main stream paper ran the story. That's good to see.

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I've seen studies that accidents increase with these camera's. I currently live close by a stop light camera intersection and the accidents have gone way up. This is a Union Dem controlled city.
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The REAL question is whether the technology will be able to work on motorcycle. I mean the loop induction thingy. You know the thingy that supposed to detect if you're there for the left turn and such. Anybody know?
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Its wont last very long there is a lawsuit against chicago right now for the red light cameras which is seeking the removal of the cameras due to laws and seeking the refund to everyone issued a ticket by them.

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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This is dumb... in the UK there are numerous accidents from people slamming on the brakes when they approach speed camera zones and then speeding up again afterwards. .

people are dumb in the UK. And they got a huge population of their own occupy wall street. In poland, they got those cameras at crosswalks, and i havn't seen an issue.
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Dumfocks in Chicago elected this asshat. They deserve every fine they get. I, for one, will stay the fock out of the city and spend my $$ elsewhere until Big Brother leaves.
+1 The only time I go to the city is to the United Center for the games, train and bus there and back, the city ain't getting anymore of my $$$ than necessary, and IL will soon be out of my life too. Wyoming is a very pleasant place to live.

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Dumfocks in Chicago elected this asshat. They deserve every fine they get. I, for one, will stay the fock out of the city and spend my $$ elsewhere until Big Brother leaves.
I didn't vote for him. Only about 1/3 of the city residents are registered voters. Out of that less than 1/2 vote. From what I can recall reading we had about 9% of the city population turnout to vote in one of the recent elections. It doesn't take too many union workers, city patronage workers, illegal aliens, dead people and the vote early vote often crowd to tip an election. On top of that in the city it's all liberal democrat. The elections are won in the primaries since no republican or libertarian candidate stands a chance in the general electon. So your choice is in the primary and determined on which one of the stupid fucks you think will screw you over the least. The state isn't in any better hands with Quinn. I didn't vote for him either.
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Any traffic engineer will agree with most of the sentiment above. The very worst thing you can do in a roadway is install something that causes abrupt or unpredictable actions.

That's exactly what happens with these things...kind of ironic, isn't it, that IDOT put the kaibosh on these things along highways for safety reasons, but they've deemed them just fine in school zones. Neato Government, Neato.

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What a bunch of bumbling, money-grubbing morons.

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