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New Electric Sportbike?

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The first electric motorcycle with performance closer to a traditional sport bike was unveiled Wednesday by Brammo Inc.

The Brammo Empulse is capable of going at least 100 mph and as far as 121 miles per charge in city riding, according to Brammo, based in Ashland, Ore.

The Empulse has a 9.3-kilowatt-hour lithium ion battery pack and liquid-cooled motor. It has a carbon fiber shell, where the fuel tank would be on a gasoline-powered motorcycle, that houses the same charging port used on electric cars such as the Nissan Leaf.

The Empulse fully recharges in 3.5 hours.

The basic model is priced at $16,995 -- $3,000 more than announced two years ago. A version with upgraded suspension and carbon fiber details costs $18,995.

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Would you be interested in one of these bikes, or what would it take to convince you to spend that much money on an electric motorcycle?

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They would have to get the charging time down to 10 minutes. That's as long as it would take to fill a bike up at a gas station. Otherwise, it's a waste of time & $$$$.

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because loud pipes save lives
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r susp looks like crap
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Who the hell is going to pay Ducati prices for an appliance ?

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Who the hell is going to pay Ducati prices for an appliance ?
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I'm preorder #246. As soon as I get confirmation that mine is on it's way, my Duc is going up for sale. I hardly ride the thing anymore, and frankly I think the Empulse will turn more heads and get me out of the poser crowd while also giving me something to commute to work on that won't keep me from having kids later in life.

BTW, forks are off an 848; accusato built frame, Brembo brakes. It should be a very well put-together bike.

They are saying first deliveries in June, and with the gigantic price jump over the initial estimate, I'm guessing there will be a lot of people baling. I'm hoping I'll get one of the first 100.

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I wouldn't even consider one until our battery technology advances past the crap we have out now. Have fun with the degradation, and cost of replacing that battery.
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Me

I'm preorder #246. As soon as I get confirmation that mine is on it's way, my Duc is going up for sale. I hardly ride the thing anymore, and frankly I think the Empulse will turn more heads and get me out of the poser crowd while also giving me something to commute to work on that won't keep me from having kids later in life.

BTW, forks are off an 848; accusato built frame, Brembo brakes. It should be a very well put-together bike.

They are saying first deliveries in June, and with the gigantic price jump over the initial estimate, I'm guessing there will be a lot of people baling. I'm hoping I'll get one of the first 100.
Congrats Sean , you are the new president of ''more money than brains'' club. I really hope this works out for you , if it doesnt , you'll only lose money .

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I'm preorder #246.
Congrats homie, I've loved that company since they were doing work with V12's and the production of the first American Ariel Atoms. Can't wait to see one of those in person... but like everyone says charging time even w/ 220V is an issue (for now). But that one is pretty much the best one out there. Which version of it did you go for?
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I wouldn't even consider one until our battery technology advances past the crap we have out now. Have fun with the degradation, and cost of replacing that battery.
Actually I don't plan to ever use the level II charger. My round trip to and from work is 30 miles, and a busy day has me going 50 miles. So on a bad day I figure I'll only use 80% of the battery, which means only 8 hours to recharge from 110. That will be easily done from the outlet in my apartment's garage, where I don't pay for electricity. Even at 15,000 miles a year, that's only about $70 worth of electricity around here. I pre-ordered the 10.0, but will go with the R if they will provide delivery early enough to ride it this year. Only Rs are being delivered in 2012.

I am very familiar with the battery tech used i these batteries since I've been buying or working with large (1 mil AH+) Li Ion batteries for the better part of the last 5 years. I am not concerned at all about the battery life. They are advertising 1,500 cycles to 80%, which is probably estimated using 100% level II charging - that's 150,000 miles, but by using majority of Level I, I expect the battery to last 200,000+ before city range would drop to only 95 miles. I'm expecting first gen Li Airs to be out in 5 to 7 years, and being able to do a direct swap. That will bump up capacity by an order of magnitude, meaning 600 mile range at cruising speeds.

And I got give every credit around here for buying a motorcycle because they are such an economical mode of transportation

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r susp looks like crap
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Congrats Sean , you are the new president of ''more money than brains'' club. I really hope this works out for you , if it doesnt , you'll only lose money .
Well, at least we're getting the, "sure, they all laughed at me" phase of the mad science out of the way quickly.

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121 miles a charge 100mph for 16grand

Ill pass and stay with the gas far more bang for the buck

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The Brammo Empulse is capable of going at least 100 mph and as far as 121 miles per charge in city riding, according to Brammo, based in Ashland, Ore.
The Empulse has a 9.3-kilowatt-hour lithium ion battery pack and liquid-cooled motor. It has a carbon fiber shell, where the fuel tank would be on a gasoline-powered motorcycle, that houses the same charging port used on electric cars such as the Nissan Leaf.The Empulse fully recharges in 3.5 hours.
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Actually I don't plan to ever use the level II charger. My round trip to and from work is 30 miles, and a busy day has me going 50 miles. So on a bad day I figure I'll only use 80% of the battery, which means only 8 hours to recharge from 110. That will be easily done from the outlet in my apartment's garage, where I don't pay for electricity. Even at 15,000 miles a year, that's only about $70 worth of electricity around here. I pre-ordered the 10.0, but will go with the R if they will provide delivery early enough to ride it this year. Only Rs are being delivered in 2012.

I am very familiar with the battery tech used i these batteries since I've been buying or working with large (1 mil AH+) Li Ion batteries for the better part of the last 5 years. I am not concerned at all about the battery life. They are advertising 1,500 cycles to 80%, which is probably estimated using 100% level II charging - that's 150,000 miles, but by using majority of Level I, I expect the battery to last 200,000+ before city range would drop to only 95 miles. I'm expecting first gen Li Airs to be out in 5 to 7 years, and being able to do a direct swap. That will bump up capacity by an order of magnitude, meaning 600 mile range at cruising speeds.

And I got give every credit around here for buying a motorcycle because they are such an economical mode of transportation
Awesome!

I'd really like to see it and ride it if it's at all possible?

The battery tech really is a turn off for me now, but beyond that, I'd be hip to riding electric if I could afford it. That's a lot of SVs for me right now.

I tried to get Zero motorcycles to Wink's test and tune (last year or the year before?), and the lazy sales rep canceled out and didn't bother to call. They currently have no test rides in Illinois, so I've pretty much written them off.

I'm eager to see what you think after some real life commuting.

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Awesome!

I'd really like to see it and ride it if it's at all possible?

The battery tech really is a turn off for me now, but beyond that, I'd be hip to riding electric if I could afford it. That's a lot of SVs for me right now.

I tried to get Zero motorcycles to Wink's test and tune (last year or the year before?), and the lazy sales rep canceled out and didn't bother to call. They currently have no test rides in Illinois, so I've pretty much written them off.

I'm eager to see what you think after some real life commuting.
The Brammo vs. Zero rivalry is going to be one for the books. As great as the Empulse is on paper, Zero is actually delivering. A lot of the Brammo faithful were turned off with the increase in price, and Zero has already said they'll have competition for the Empulse next year. If Brammo could have delivered the Empulse two years ago when they started marketing it, there would be no argument...In any case, I like Craig Bramcher, so I'll stick with Brammo unless the product turns me off.

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I think it's attractive for what it is, but until a new battery cell design comes along that can put out the HP everyone loves, and meets a price equal to internal combustion, the odds are against it

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I think it's attractive for what it is, but until a new battery cell design comes along that can put out the HP everyone loves, and meets a price equal to internal combustion, the odds are against it
Empulse RR is already putting out 100kw (~130hp with a flat torque curve), and is lasting for 8 lap sprints. They are matching lap records at their local (non-national) track. Some other brands are significantly more than that. Of course the cost build a bike with that...

I am convinced electric will out perform ICE bikes within 7 to 10 years, and will be cheaper to run. Touring bikes won't ever be replaced by battery bikes, but just about everything else can be.

Obviously this is just my biased speculation, but I am excited for the motorcycling future.

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There is a future in electric motorcycles. They will make very practical, efficient and economical commuter vehcles for daily transportation in an urban environment. Unfortunately the technology to make them practical, efficient and economical isn't quite there yet but, what is available now has the industry taking notice. There have even been discussions about race classes for electric powered bikes.
As a replacement for the bikes we all ride & race today...I don't think that's going to be electric. I'm sure internal combustion is going to be around for a LONG time to come. I think it will be the type of fuel that will change before the type of engine.

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Out of curiosity, what does this thing weigh?
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440lbs

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