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BRZ or Abarth

I know the Toyobaru BRZ/GT-86 isn't really comparable to a FWD Fiat 500 Abarth...

But I want a small fun car that is enjoyable for longer driving times but still decent on gas mileage. I've got a 46 mile commute everyday and w/o driving these cars its pretty tough to determine which to buy. Next week I'll be driving the BRZ, but I haven't really been able to locate an Abarth close enough to try.

So what do you guys think? I know I'm not much for FWD cars, I personally prefer RWD... but from everything I've seen - the Fiat would be a very fun car that I could easily park in the City (where I live).





Which would you choose? Resale value on both should be pretty good too...
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First model year for the Toyo, I'd pass on it.

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Just so you know, the Toyota and Subaru suspensions are set up differently. One likes to be tail happy, the other (I think Subaru) likes to push.

The Fiat is a nice car, proven in Europe. It should be cheaper for basic maintenance (tires, oil change, etc) and cheaper on insurance.

I like Mini's, but by the time you get to a decent package, it will be over $30K.
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I like the styling of the 500, but i can't get past an Italian designed car built in Mexico with a UAW built engine. It just screams Fix it again Tony

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I hadn't heard of that BRZ before. That's a cool little car.
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BRZ looks so much better and from what I've read, it's tons of fun.

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Abarth Abarth Abarth!!

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I haven't really been able to locate an Abarth close enough to try.
I heard that the Fiat must be serviced at a Fiat dealership or you void the warranty, if you can't find one close because you arent close to a dealer, it might be a consideration.

I have a 25 mpg WRX and love it, so I vote for the BRZ. I saw one in person (but havent driven one), I really like the styling.

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Year round use? Can see these not liking wet and snow. Both get good reviews but have read that the powerband on the brz like to be wound up. +1 on the mini being north of 30K for a Works version. Do really dig the way the FR-S and BRZ look and they are good on gas too. Ever consider the new MX-5? They have grown since years ago and are a true small rwd sports car. Really nice little toy.

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Wait for the turbo brz, you know they'll make one.

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P&L Motorsports in Franklin Park has built a turbo kit that gets the BRZ over 400 hp already.

That would be one fun car, but doubt I'd be willing to give up my warranty so easily, especially on a new model car like that.


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P&L Motorsports in Franklin Park has built a turbo kit that gets the BRZ over 400 hp already.

That would be one fun car, but doubt I'd be willing to give up my warranty so easily, especially on a new model car like that.

If TRD comes out with a turbo, it wont void the warranty. May not get you up to 400, but maybe 300. They did that with the TCs, TRD made a turbo that did not void the warranty. Unfortunately the turbo was a piece of crap and was notorious for breaking. But still nice feature. Roush does the same for Mustang's, but I think it is a supercharger.

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If TRD comes out with a turbo, it wont void the warranty. May not get you up to 400, but maybe 300. They did that with the TCs, TRD made a turbo that did not void the warranty. Unfortunately the turbo was a piece of crap and was notorious for breaking. But still nice feature. Roush does the same for Mustang's, but I think it is a supercharger.
TRD made a supercharger for the tC (use to own a tC). You are right though, the thing would break all the time and was a rip off. I think it only added around 60 hp and cost $3-4 grand. Huge advantage is that you kept your warranty though.

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For year round neither are a good idea. The Abarth and BRZ are over priced for what you are getting. They are both small and have no cargo area. You cannot fit 4 adults in either car especially the BRZ. That is a two seater only, call me a lier... I challenge you to be able to drive that car with 4 adults. There is no way no how it's going to happen unless your a legal dwarf midget. Out of the two I'd lean towards the Abarth.

For all year long the WRX makes a much more practical car and offers a lot more utility. For that price point. I think a standard Impreza is the best choice with the winter package. Despite how this may sound a new V6 mustang gets really good MPG is only 1 hp less than the original Shelby Cobra which people drool over. The car is easily the fastest and not having to change gears ever 10 mph is really nice.

AWD for chicago or a nice heavy FWD would be real suggestions. The Mustang is going to be dog shit in the snow.

I don't know how your income status is but I'd be thinking something that gets good gas milage and preferably 87 octane. 50 miles a day is going to put a toll on your wallet. I truly never understand why people want to drive performance cars all year long. It boggles my mind. I've driven performance cars in the winter and it'll be the last thing I do again. They were not my cars.

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You have a 46 mile commute out of the city?

Get something comfortable. Unless you're working 3rd shift you're not going anywhere fast, and even the side roads will tear up anything close to "sport". Get something quiet with as many creature comforts as you can afford. I'd get a GTI with a nice stereo and some paddle shifters.

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Looks like he lives in Iowa I'm pretty sure that's just as bad weather wise as chicago. I'd like to note that the Abarth has a wonderful exhaust note.
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Oh yeah it was a sc not a turbo. my bad.

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As much as I'd like to drive a big comfortable sedan that easily fits 4 adults... what I want is out of my price range (well taken care of 335i or 550i with the sport pack).

But purchasing a new car is probably the dumbest thing I can do... in terms of depreciation. However; both of those car I hope won't depreciate like crazy b/c of how few there are and the demand is pretty decent right now (unless they make a Turbo BRZ - then I'd be fucked)

As far as practicality goes - I'm not really one to be practical. I'd rather have a fun car that was relatively comfortable than a really comfortable car that has ample seating room and isn't very fun. Plus living in the city, parking is gonna be a bitch.

And yea I live in Downtown Chicago now, not Iowa. And I have to commute to Round Lake every weekday starting Monday.

Miatas ... not really my cuppa tea. Also, I'd rather cut off my leg than buy an automatic - especially a paddleshift one. I strongly despise automatic transmissions.
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As much as I'd like to drive a big comfortable sedan that easily fits 4 adults... what I want is out of my price range (well taken care of 335i or 550i with the sport pack).

But purchasing a new car is probably the dumbest thing I can do... in terms of depreciation. However; both of those car I hope won't depreciate like crazy b/c of how few there are and the demand is pretty decent right now (unless they make a Turbo BRZ - then I'd be fucked)

As far as practicality goes - I'm not really one to be practical. I'd rather have a fun car that was relatively comfortable than a really comfortable car that has ample seating room and isn't very fun. Plus living in the city, parking is gonna be a bitch.

And yea I live in Downtown Chicago now, not Iowa. And I have to commute to Round Lake every weekday starting Monday.

Miatas ... not really my cuppa tea. Also, I'd rather cut off my leg than buy an automatic - especially a paddleshift one. I strongly despise automatic transmissions.
To each is own. Do you have car now? If you do, hold of buying s new one untill you see how the drive is and then revisit the whole comfort and shifting gears preferences.

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BRZ starts at $25,495.

You can easily get a used 335i for that price.

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Currently I own only motorcycles. If I need a practical people mover or motorcycle tow-er I can borrow my brother's minivan.

Also, this is Tempting... not a huge miata fan but rwd turbo with a stick

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BRZ starts at $25,495.

You can easily get a used 335i for that price.
I haven't found a 335i I like yet. And used car financing rates I've found a quite a bit higher.

Also, I'm biased b/c I used to live with a friend who had one w/ nearly every option except for Navi (which I don't want).

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RWD anything going from Chicago to Round Lake is going to suck.

Unless you get something mid-engine I'd stick to FWD or AWD.

Try commuting on 41 or 294 once it snows, sometimes those plows don't come out so quick up north.
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jrobbins thread fact #312 neither of these vehicles will actually be purchased

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90->53->12 sucks! I lived in McHenry and have done that commute more than anyone alive! It sucks.

I say BRZ all the way! The Fiat is a girls car.....seriously. If you're not a hot Italian chick running out of a cafe with an expresso, then don't buy it. The BRZ/FR-S is a fun and capable car. The problem is, unless you'll be commuting at 3am, you'll never go over 35mph in both cars.

I agree with the other guys. Buy something comfy....a rolling couch. I'm in the car allllllll day and, even though I insist on driving a manual trans, my commuter car/work car is an automatic and my legs thank me for it. Is it boring? Yes, but sitting in Friday 5:30pm traffic and you'll thank me too.

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You can easily get a used 335i for that price.
Make sure its certified preowned. That 335i engine has more issues than the octomom.

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