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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old 12-11-2003, 11:50 AM Thread Starter
 
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Last night there was a note on my door at my apt that said it has come to their attention that i have a pet in a non pet building and I have to get rid of them immediately. The complex I am in is pet friendly in the designated buildings but not ours.

We are moving out in just under 1 month into our new house. I am going to give a sob story that they were my grandma's dogs. She was in a nursing home but recently her alzheimers has progressed and she has been moved to a facility that wont allow them. And because I am the only family in the area and the pups know us we were forced to take them. We werent planning on this being an issue but the construction of our house has been pushed back a month so here we are. Do you guys think this will work? What would you recommend?
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I personally wouldn't worry about it if your moving in a months time. It would take them longer then that to evict you from the place not including the money involved. I would just tell them that your moving in a month anyways so do what they have to and leave it at that.
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oh and portions of this story are true. we are in the final stages of construction on our house that was pushed back. my grandma does have severe alzheimers and has been moved to a more intensive facility and there is no where for the pups to go.
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Don't bother with it. If you are moving out in less than a month then tell them you are sorry and the pets will be out of the apartment just as fast as you can put them in a new home. They can not force you out of the apartment for 2 reasons. 1- its winter and they would have to evict you in the spring and 2- by the time any legal proceeding would start let alone paperwork processed you would be leaving anyway. So either be nice to be nice or tell em to FO!

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how much of a security deposit do they have that they could hold?

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I personally wouldn't worry about it if your moving in a months time. It would take them longer then that to evict you from the place not including the money involved. I would just tell them that your moving in a month anyways so do what they have to and leave it at that.
The only possible problem to this is that in our lease there is a part that says if they give us numerous warnings about getting the pets out and they then give us the warning that they will remove them for us, they then have the ability to take the dogs.

Now remember, these are 2 puppies that are 10 and 12 pounds each. they are quite and well behaved. I would really hope that the office can look the other way for 1 month. Usually they are pretty nice about a lot of things.
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Check your contract!!!!!!! If they have a provision to fine you incase of a breach such as this then find someone to watch the animal for you till you get your house. Otherwise let them come after you.

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the security deposit is only $350. Not bad at all.
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I would think it all depends on your landlord. If he/she is an old miser then you might have to find a home for the pups for a month. Also play up the holiday season. Ask for some leniency because of Chrismas. I would think that since its only for a month and you have a very good sob story. Good luck.

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how much of a security deposit do they have that they could hold?
They can't hold the security deposit if there is no damage done.
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I looked at the contract. They do not have the opportunity to fine us for breach but they can charge us for damage that is above normal wear and tear if they take a really close look at the carpets. I plan on shampooing the carpets before we leave either way so I am not sure how much they would find but that would be the only penalty they could get us on.
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If you are sure you will be out, they won't have time to evict you. They can keep your security deposit and depending on their rules & regulations they may be able to fine you for non-compliance. You should check their rules to see if there's any provisions for entering the property to alleviate a nuisance. If not, they won't have time to do anything but hassle you.

Be nice! Tell them the dogs will be gone as soon as you find a home and hope your home doesn't get delayed again.

p.s. I didn't see that you had already checked the rules. I think you'll be ok.

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I live in a no-pet condo. Strange...I own it, but can't have cats or dogs. Anyway, had many battles over the years, and it might be different for condo's but nothing ever panned out. It took months and months just to get a 2nd letter. In 1 month I for sure wouldn't worry about it. I wouldn't say or admit anything. If you move out and never say a word about it, then they'd have a much tougher time proving anything on you. Don't give ANY confessions is what I've learned from my experiences.
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I live in a no-pet condo. Strange...I own it, but can't have cats or dogs. Anyway, had many battles over the years, and it might be different for condo's but nothing ever panned out. It took months and months just to get a 2nd letter. In 1 month I for sure wouldn't worry about it. I wouldn't say or admit anything. If you move out and never say a word about it, then they'd have a much tougher time proving anything on you. Don't give ANY confessions is what I've learned from my experiences.
Ok fine dont give any confessions but what happens if they have already gone into the apt and to see if we did in fact have the pets in the first place and then sent us the letter?
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Hmm, then let that be that...you can say they visited for a day. Dunno, in a condo no one can come in. Not sure about the apt deal.
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Ok fine dont give any confessions but what happens if they have already gone into the apt and to see if we did in fact have the pets in the first place and then sent us the letter?
Does their rules or lease give them the right to enter the property at any time for any reason? This is generally a no-no.

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Strange...I own it, but can't have cats or dogs.
Nothing strange about it! You signed a document agreeing to abide by their Declaration, Bylaws, and Rules & Regulations as passed by the Board when you purchased the property.

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usually apt complex have a right to come in but they have to give you warning 1st. generally 24 hours. unless you call and complain that something is broken and they say, we'll have a service tech come look at it sometime this week, they don't have to give you a 24 hour warning. whether they came in and saw the dogs or not, you can say they were there only for a visit.
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I live in a condo with a 40lb. weight limit on dogs, and you can only have one. Problem is, one of the ladies on the board has 2 dogs, one over 40lbs. There are also at least 6 units with dogs over 40lbs out of 126 units. The way I figure, if they would ever say anything to me, they would have to make all of the other units get rid of their dogs as well, or else they'd have a nice discrimination lawsuit on their hands. My puppy has been nothing but nice to the residents (no biting or barking, I clean up after him, etc.), so we'll see what happens.
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Nothing strange about it! You signed a document agreeing to abide by their Declaration, Bylaws, and Rules & Regulations as passed by the Board when you purchased the property.

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No, it is strange. If we think about it on a more general level. It's my place...not just renting, but own, and I can't have a pet. Mine but not mine. I think many condo associations also reserve the right to buy your place if you're selling before you put it on the market. Hell in that case if I have to offer it to them first when selling, I would just jack the price way up...sorry this was
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No, it is strange. If we think about it on a more general level. It's my place...not just renting, but own, and I can't have a pet. Mine but not mine. I think many condo associations also reserve the right to buy your place if you're selling before you put it on the market. Hell in that case if I have to offer it to them first when selling, I would just jack the price way up...sorry this was
Those are all things you agreed to when you purchased!

With right of first refusal, they have to sign off once you have a buyer and a price. You cannot just jack the price to them. They routinely waive that right of first refusal anyway. It just offers them a way to keep you from selling to an "undesirable" should they choose to act on it.

I don't understand what's so strange when you agreed to the deal. What is strange is purchasing a home/condo without understanding the deal.

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As a former president of a condo association....the by-laws are there to control the residents from doing things that other residents would not appreciate. Ultimately, it comes down to property value and lifestyle.

Individually, you own the space between your unit walls...nothing else. I have two dogs myself, but if you think about it, dogs cause extra wear and tear on the common areas, they bark, and some people are just afraid of them and don't want to worry about passing a dog and it's owner in the hallway/elevator.

As far as selling....it's called the right of first refusal. You could jack your asking price up, but then it won't sell as fast if they pass it up. If you lower it to sell, they still have the right.
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Dave beat me to it....sounds like you're not too sure what you got yourself into.

They can fine you to death....that is their power. You can let the fines pile up, but eventually when it;s time to sell you HAVE to pay or the title company will not close the deal. The association must sign off on the deal.
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By law, management has to give you 24 hours' notice if they intend to enter your (rental) apartment (unless there is some sort of "emergency"). Since you're moving in a month, I wouldn't worry about it. By the time they carry eviction proceedings to the point where they can force you out, you'll be gone.

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CHeYeNNe is right. I live in the town north of you and my Apt complex has the same set up as you. It took the complex 5 to 6 months to kick a person out for the same reason. And you can also say you had a friend come over and he brought his dog with, maybe that's why people hear a dog once in a while. And if you find out who told on you, have the dog pee and crap in thier place.

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well, i spoke with the front office and explained "my circumstances". They were very cool about it. Since we are in a special situation, the front office was going to explain this to the lady who complained and since we are only her a few more weeks it was most likely going to be just fine.

So it seems as though we are in the clear. Thank god. I was very surprised how willing the office was to help out. I wouldnt think that a apt company would be so nice but I am happy.
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Also, they can't take a dime of your sec dep unless you actually damage something. Damage doesn't mean dirty carpet and nail holes in the wall. In IL you have the right as a tenant to hang pictures and walk on your carpet.

I love all these places that claim part of your security deposit to pay their cleaning people to prep the place for the next renters. Painting, cleaning, cleaning range burners, its all normal wear and tear and not billable.

In Chicago the landlord even needs to pay you interest on that money. I'm not sure about the rest of IL.

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Speaking of odd things in the contract, I once rented a place where the landlord had provisions in the contract that said no parties (seemed standard) and no walking on the roof (kinda odd). However, he explained that he had actually had problems with that before. He was a cool landlord though.

Glad to hear your landlord was cool.
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