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Fear instead of logic, suppressor legality.

I was thinking about supressors the other day while learning a bit about them and realized that they were PURELY banned on the basis of fear mongering.

If anything, with how corrupt the legal system is they should be encouraged to be easily accessible.


If you kill a guy, you can be out in a few years.

BUT.
If you use a supressor in a criminal activity its an instant 30 years.


what gets you better results senor prosecutor?


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Another simplistic law that makes stupid people feel safer.

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The irony of suppressors, is that they are viewed favorably in Europe where firearms laws are far stricter. They look at the noise reduction as a courtesy to other shooters.

But this is America... and courtesy here, is also a long-forgotten notion.
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The irony of suppressors, is that they are viewed favorably in Europe where firearms laws are far stricter. They look at the noise reduction as a courtesy to other shooters.

But this is America... and courtesy here, is also a long-forgotten notion.

You give the lawmakers too much credit.

It's not that people actually thought about it and decided to be less considerate.


It's that the politicians are "doing something" about those evil "assault weapons" and banning them ....
and a suppressor makes a long-arm more "assulty - looking" so they banned them.


that way the jackass politician can stand up and say "I voted against "assault weapons" and made you
safer by removing the evil suppressors from the hands of non-military personnel...... you are safer now !".


The sad thing is that most voters are stupid enough to buy that crap.



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if he had a suppressor, this guy might still have his hearing, and dignitiy

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if he had a suppressor, this guy might still have his hearing, and dignitiy

That fucking guy.... Needs to soldier up and grow a pair!

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WTF - He had hearing protection on. I don't see what the hell happened. It's not like he was firing a 50BMG in doors...

Seems more like he had a panic attack; or his pressing on the hearing protection broke the seal on his head and allowed most if not all the noise to come in. Still, it looks like he flaked. A slight taste of stress and he spiked and crashed.

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Seems more like he had a panic attack; or his pressing on the hearing protection broke the seal on his head and allowed most if not all the noise to come in. Still, it looks like he flaked. A slight taste of stress and he spiked and crashed.
I agree with the panic attack idea. Lots of us have not had hearing protection (or had it fail), while in a range. I have never felt like that in any way. Granted, they were in a smaller enclosure, but you get the idea.
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I've been around weapons, (betcha I've fired larger caliber than 99% of the people on this board), but never used a suppressor. Please educate me, why does a regular Joe need one?

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I've been around weapons, (betcha I've fired larger caliber than 99% of the people on this board), but never used a suppressor. Please educate me, why does a regular Joe need one?
In Europe, where they have a more reasonable view of suppressors, the primary draw is a matter of courtesy & hearing protection. Sound suppressors don't have the same "assassin's tool" stigma there, that they do here. Rather they're viewed as what they really are... something that reduces (but never eliminates) the noise of a firearm.
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So you're saying that the average gun owner would like to have a suppressor so when he/she goes to the range he/she won't have to deal with so much noise? That's the only reason?

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So you're saying that the average gun owner would like to have a suppressor so when he/she goes to the range he/she won't have to deal with so much noise? That's the only reason?
I would love to have the option for a suppressor for that very reason. It's easier to teach and less stressful to the new shooter.

If we only wanted Tacticool shit, we'd only be clamoring for SBR and AOW.

Meanwhile, I want all of the above.

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I would love to have the option for a suppressor for that very reason. It's easier to teach and less stressful to the new shooter.

If we only wanted Tacticool shit, we'd only be clamoring for SBR and AOW.

Meanwhile, I want all of the above.
Ok, so as a training tool a suppressor is helpful. Or you can just wear really good hearing protection. Why else would one need to own a suppressor?

I have no idea what tacticool or SBR or AOW are. 'Splain por favor.

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Ok, so as a training tool a suppressor is helpful. Or you can just wear really good hearing protection. Why else would one need to own a suppressor?

I have no idea what tacticool or SBR or AOW are. 'Splain por favor.
Beyond a training tool, less noise vs bulkier hearing protection is simply a trade-off. Why not both? Living in an urban environment, don't often think of noise pollution, but shooting out in the country is a different matter entirely. While the noise isn't damage inducing to neighbors a mile away, it is still obnoxious when you're used to a quieter atmosphere, no?

Perhaps think of it more akin to an automobile muffler?


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Ok, I can understand that. Being a gun owner you don't want to be a d*ck and make a bunch of noise when firing at targets so you use a suppressor. That's reasonable.

On the flip side don't some cities use gun-shot detectors to find out if a crime has taken place? I have a vague memory of a SoCal city doing this.

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WTF - He had hearing protection on. I don't see what the hell happened. It's not like he was firing a 50BMG in doors...

Seems more like he had a panic attack; or his pressing on the hearing protection broke the seal on his head and allowed most if not all the noise to come in. Still, it looks like he flaked. A slight taste of stress and he spiked and crashed.
I think he probably did damage his hearing, and hearing plays a big part in balance which might account for the spinning. Panic probably played the biggest part though.

The going internet theory though is that it was all staged really played up for tv.

On a tangent, has anyone noticed that doomsday preppers showcases some of the most irresponsible gun owners ever though?
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Don't supperssors hurt the ballistic performance of the bullet?

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Ok, so as a training tool a suppressor is helpful. Or you can just wear really good hearing protection. Why else would one need to own a suppressor?

I have no idea what tacticool or SBR or AOW are. 'Splain por favor.
Tacticool is slang for when people put a bunch of accessories on a gun of which there usefulness is questionable, but "look cool". Tactical + Cool. Realistically it only makes for a heavier gun.

Suppressors are also beneficial in a home defense situation, if you have to fire, it won't destroy your hearing. Chris Costa, the patron saint of firearm training, recommends it.
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Ok, I can understand that. Being a gun owner you don't want to be a d*ck and make a bunch of noise when firing at targets so you use a suppressor. That's reasonable.

On the flip side don't some cities use gun-shot detectors to find out if a crime has taken place? I have a vague memory of a SoCal city doing this.
I can't speak to the use of gunshot detectors, but its true that would be a problem. Even some guys who do practical rifle competitions with suoressors have issues because the timers listen for gun shots, and suppressed firearms don't always register. But the thing about suppressors is that they are really expensive even before the 200 dollar tax stamp. Contrary to what rap indicates, gang bangers aren't using glocks, they're using cheap guns like Hi Points. Suppressors are sorta out of their price range. And if they were actually interested in them, they are not super hard to actually make.
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So you're saying that the average gun owner would like to have a suppressor so when he/she goes to the range he/she won't have to deal with so much noise? That's the only reason?
No the average gun owner would just like to use one to get ride of the raccoon problem in his backyard without making the neighboring soccer moms nervous.

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Suppressors are also beneficial in a home defense situation, if you have to fire, it won't destroy your hearing.
If any of us here at home ever have to use a firearm in the home and my wife it is more than likely she will go deaf completely due to issues with her ears and surgeries. etc. etc.

Not fair that because of a POS breaking in we would lose,

1. carpet
2. the firearm
3. her hearing

because of a piece of crap. And even with hearing protection guns are still loud as hell, why not reduce their sound output to someone who can afford the 200 tax stamp. I forget how many but 49 other states have it and you dont hear about all the silenced killings that go on.

I didnt know about the gun shot alert system for the PD. also kinda sad thats how they would figure out if a crime was committed. Also sounds like a way to get a microphone put up.
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If any of us here at home ever have to use a firearm in the home and my wife it is more than likely she will go deaf completely due to issues with her ears and surgeries. etc. etc.

Not fair that because of a POS breaking in we would lose,

1. carpet
2. the firearm
3. her hearing

because of a piece of crap. And even with hearing protection guns are still loud as hell, why not reduce their sound output to someone who can afford the 200 tax stamp. I forget how many but 49 other states have it and you dont hear about all the silenced killings that go on.

I didnt know about the gun shot alert system for the PD. also kinda sad thats how they would figure out if a crime was committed. Also sounds like a way to get a microphone put up.
Ya, those shot detectors are on the blue light cameras in Chicago.

Personally, I think they might allow hunters to take that second shot and if you miss you might not scare all the game away for the day.

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Don't supperssors hurt the ballistic performance of the bullet?
Yes and no.

When a gun is fired, there are really two "noises" you need to be concerned about. The first is the muzzle blast - and that is what a suppressor addresses. Essentially it is a can with baffles, that is attached to the end of the barrel. Most designs, in an attempt to maximize suppression & minimize gasses escaping "around/in front" the an exiting bullet, build their baffles such that they will "seal" with the exiting bullet. Because these baffles are not an integral part of the barrel, it has the potential to alter the otherwise untouched spin/trajectory of an exiting bullet.

The second noise that a suppressor cannot mitigate, is the bullet breaking the sound-barrier. The solution to this is to use sub-sonic ammunition, which is loaded such that they will not break the sound barrier. Any changes to the muzzle velocity of a bullet (all other things equal) will drastically change the ballistic profile of a firearm.
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Ya, those shot detectors are on the blue light cameras in Chicago.

Personally, I think they might allow hunters to take that second shot and if you miss you might not scare all the game away for the day.
Chicago doesn't have that technology it's just a cam that can be watched downtown or by squad cars that have the computers for it

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Hum, I've fired 120mm smooth bore. It was a blast.
You too? Didn't know we had any other 19K on the board.

As for your raccoon example, would using a firearm really be the best way to rid yourself of the rodent?

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Back to the suppressor argument. So another reason to have them is so you don't destroy your hearing when shooting an intruder? That doesn't seem like the most solid argument.

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Chicago doesn't have that technology it's just a cam that can be watched downtown or by squad cars that have the computers for it
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/10/...on-technology/

It's being "tested" meaning it's in use but not a part of protocol. I've worked in the CPD "War Room" at 35th and Michigan. I suspect there are a lot of things going on like this.

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